Alfa, I am truly sorry for your loss. I wouldn't wish that on anyone.

You fancy yourself as business savvy. When we talk contract here, we're talking business. That is the framework within which the discussion is taking place. It has nothing to do with anyone placing a higher value on money than on other more important things in life.

Perhaps a review of the following is in order here:

A straw man, also known in the UK as an Aunt Sally,[1][2] is a common type of argument and is an informal fallacy based on the misrepresentation of an opponent's argument. [3] To be successful, a straw man argument requires that the audience be ignorant or uninformed of the original argument.


The so-called typical "attacking a straw man" implies an adversarial, polemic, or combative debate, and creates the illusion of having completely refuted or defeated an opponent's proposition by covertly replacing it with a different proposition (i.e., "stand up a straw man") and then to refute or defeat that false argument ("knock down a straw man") instead of the original proposition.[4][5]


This technique has been used throughout history in polemical debate, particularly in arguments about highly charged emotional issues where a fiery, entertaining "battle" and the defeat of an "enemy" may be more valued than critical thinking or understanding both sides of the issue.

Meh. They are still assumptions, and you do not have all the information from both sides of the equation. And guess what, I fully acknowledge that neither do I. The difference between us is that you assume that it is a one sided equation. The only statement I make is that the other side has a point too. Of course you and others always take that to mean that I accept the reset, drink the koolaid, yada yada yada.

Funny. That pretty much sums up the reason why I post here.

Pot meet kettle.

You are such a lying liar. You take things out of context and when proven wrong just pretend you weren't. Sailing provided the Form 4 data that is provided from the company. That is a legal document. Did you choose to ignore it. You throw out that statements are false and made up, but offer no evidence for your position. Because you are a liar and a man of low moral standing. You bully, bloviate and mislead.

Were you, or were you not a part of the Tanksley suit?

You have proven nothing other than that you are a first class *******

I'll have to take you at your word as I wasn't here. But in C2K, you weren't trying to dig out of a 50+% hole while the company was making record profits. Big difference.

That's part of the secured/unsecured creditor agreements during a bankruptcy and is not part of negotiations for a new PWA. It's disingenuous to try to link them. Our BK negotiations for a PWA were almost all concessions and almost no gains. And all bargained for in good faith.

I don't believe that for one second. You don't have the data to back that up.

Carl

Excellent idea. You first. Perhaps you and the others who are trying for a reputation makeover should stop the speculative statements like: 'the NMB will park us indefinitely, etc.'

The NMB did NOT say this to you. Not in their PowerPoint, and not in their verbal statements to you. It didn't happen.

Carl

lulz..... his data is factual. He was in the room. Yours is made up. Talk about "digging out of a hole".

Funny funny stuff Carl. I needed a laugh today. Thanks

And then there's this gem... from the same post:

Which is it?

unposted... combined the hilarity in above post to save space.

Wow, at least 5 different reps who were at that meeting have been lying to me. Interesting that actual actions by the NMB back up the gist of those statements.

Here is a bit from the current NMB web sight. Note the terms used.

With only a dozen mediators to work on hundreds of rail and airline employee groups, the NMB places a high premium on only assigning mediators to a frequent bargaining schedule when it believes the union and management are close to what it calls the “zone of reasonableness” – in plain terms, when the two sides have moved away from their opening positions, have finished bargaining on the majority of their contract and are much closer to compromise on the remaining items. Usually a mediator will not be assigned until the parties have only a few open items left to bargain; of course, these are often also the most critical, time-intensive contract sections like pay, benefits and scope.

I was told that she further clarified reasonableness from the union side as how you stand amongst your peers. The 2013 pilot block hour costs are now out and the don't do us any favors.

I hope you don't expect an answer. I'm still waiting for him to take me up on my wager... which he won't ever do.