Hey!!!!

Don't talk about Ferd like that.

Quick topic change
Limit on how many short calls we can do in a row?

Carl;

268 million at 21 per million which was the quoted dollar amount per percentage raise is about a 12.87 percent raise in wages alone. Add ADG etc and it is very will within the the range my own costing came to. You add ADG, take the credits for the slick leave modification, scope, and other work rule changes, like adding value to a training and vacation day, reducing on call days etc, then costing the scope language etc, and if desired call of that shifting of the deck chairs, the dollar amount stated rational with what was claimed at the road shows.

To add to this, no mec member that was in that room for seven days prior to approving the ta to be sent out for MEMRAT ever disagreed with the number. Its not being a lemming, its doing the costing on your own, and then fact or craping it, and realizing that the number is logical given the package as a whole. IE the number mesh up. Wether or not it was good enough for each pilot is a personal question and a vote, but my work showed me that the costing that was publicly stated is reasonable.

I've not said anything different.

I'll bet that's right.

That would align with my experience as well.

Again, I agree. Which is why it's a fallacious argument to state that management must be giving out correct pilot line item costing numbers because the pilot board member would cry foul if they didn't. That's patently false.

OK.

Don't disagree.

Carl

Carl;

You are an entrepreneur. You understand above and below the line costing, you get cost allocation, cap ex etc. You also understand the MRO world, and the costs associated with MRO. Why is it that for the life of you, you cannot grasp the fact that DAL had an approved CAPEX on the CRJ 50's MRO costs and was a cost expenditure (CAPEX) approved by the BOD, which RA decided to reallocate to pilot costs, and in turn renegotiate the DCI CPA's and keep the overall below the line costs neutral or within the GDP cost creep back in 2012? All of which allowed DAL to sell the "cost neutral" verbiage to Wall Street?

One does not have to do with the other. We are a departmental cost, and ours went up, they robbed CAPEX from DCI MRO and brought it over to our line on the ledger. Even I would was not in love with the TA understood the mechanics of how it transpired.

Never said that Pineapple. I said since you and I are not Delta board members, neither of us know.

You too. Come back again when you're done with the chest thumping.

Carl

I would expect that if the costing was incorrect and that different numbers were given, it would be made known to the MEC. That said, I do not think that the BOD gets briefed on the specific pilot costing numbers, but and overall view. Any BOD that I have been on gets what looks like a detailed 8-K with more breakdown but not to the granular level that some expect.

Carl; You will have to just trust me (I know what you will say) when I tell you that the accusation asserted against our pilot director and the position are not a grave concern of mine. Costing is agreed to by both parties (ALPA and the Company) during negotiations.

Hmmm...no mention of the profit sharing reductions, ALV and reserve changes, reduction of summer month days, sick leave harassment, etc. That's exactly what I was talking about with guys who only talk about their gains in the stock market. Losses count too if you want an accurate net.

That's an altogether different problem.

Yes it is acl. It's the very definition of being a lemming.

Mine doesn't. Thus the debate.

Carl

Nice job with Carl.

Fact is money flowed to pilots pockets. The money came from the company. I could care less where the company got the money from. I'll take cost neutral or otherwise as long as I think the MEC is satisfied that we have captured as much as possible.

That would be the etc in the post Carl. I knew you knew all of it, the point was that even the MEC members who voted NO did not argue with the costing data.



Ok, Carl, I guess call call different things lemmings, but that is fine. My sky is blue today, is your green?