Originally Posted by gzsg (Post 1676730)

This is a great post. It encapsulates what is fair, what the MEC has committed to and what we should expect.

I never understand why but this powerful insider group works hand in hand with management to arrange offsets like reducing profit sharing or pay banding. They sell to their closest friends on the MEC and count the votes to get a majority and then brow beat the rest.

Given the eye popping Delta profits, there is no reason for us to fund any of our gains.

Our concessions were no longer needed for at least the past 2 years. Time to share in the success we created. Time to be rewarded for the billions in life changing concessions.

Just what is fair. A historic C2015 quickly and then continuing to leading the industry.

Originally Posted by Sink r8 (Post 1676686)

That's true enough, but why is there anyone getting in arguments with him at this stage of the game? OK, so he gets phone calls from guys that leak partial info, and he manufactures these crises to do whatever he wants to do, like make a guy look good, or another guy look bad. So maybe he and some of the other usual suspects are BFF's. We've seen this show before, with the DPA crap.

But why isn't he being met with silence? He using a populist "we deserve more" approach. That seems to me like it should be a pretty self-evident belief for all of us: we deserve more. That means he'd be dismissed as some guy trying to look like he's leading the charge. BFD.

What I don't understand is: why is there even an argument, this early in the game, with his positions? Who is lining up against "we deserve more"? We need subtitles, and cliffnotes, I guess, because the last few days on the L&G make very little sense.

Originally Posted by gzsg (Post 1676694)

Makes me laugh that you think I need someone on the MEC to feed me.

Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy (Post 1676980)

Carl, guess what? You're wrong....again.

There are no NDAs for BOD members. There's a little entity called the SEC, perhaps you've heard of it, and it has enough rules with respect to this issue. As for our Pilot Director, his duties/responsibilities are spelled out in the PWA, which says, among other things, "the Pilot Member shall be bound by the confidentiality obligations of the members of the Delta Board with respect to all discussions, deliberations and decisions of the Delta Board and any committees thereof in accordance with the policies of the Delta Board applicable to all members of the Delta Board, provided that, the Pilot Member may from time to time, with the knowledge of the Chairman of the Delta Board or Chief Executive Officer of Delta, exercise his reasonable discretion to provide such information to the Delta MEC, its officers, relevant committees, and advisors who have executed confidentiality agreements approved by Delta for that purpose."

Originally Posted by Hillbilly (Post 1676289)

Worked like a champ on my iPhone 5s. I had never tried it before, but it seemed to work pretty seamlessly.

Originally Posted by Starcheck102 (Post 1676919)

I did not know that there were separate levels of NDA, but I don't see how that is relevant.

Originally Posted by Starcheck102 (Post 1676919)

The pilot director has a responsibility to report the sort of criminal behavior that you describe, or he is guilty of complicity.

Originally Posted by Starcheck102 (Post 1676919)

Wasn't that your original assertion? That he would somehow have his hands tied, and be helpless to report rascal behavior to the MEC?

Originally Posted by Starcheck102 (Post 1676919)

I have witnessed about half a dozen briefings from the pilot director (I signed an NDA in 2012), and the contents of those briefings makes me believe that your scenario is far-fetched at best.

Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy (Post 1676980)

Carl, guess what? You're wrong....again.

Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy (Post 1676980)

There are no NDAs for BOD members.

Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy (Post 1676980)

There's a little entity called the SEC, perhaps you've heard of it, and it has enough rules with respect to this issue.

Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy (Post 1676980)

As for our Pilot Director, his duties/responsibilities are spelled out in the PWA, which says, among other things, "the Pilot Member shall be bound by the confidentiality obligations of the members of the Delta Board with respect to all discussions, deliberations and decisions of the Delta Board and any committees thereof in accordance with the policies of the Delta Board applicable to all members of the Delta Board, provided that, the Pilot Member may from time to time, with the knowledge of the Chairman of the Delta Board or Chief Executive Officer of Delta, exercise his reasonable discretion to provide such information to the Delta MEC, its officers, relevant committees, and advisors who have executed confidentiality agreements approved by Delta for that purpose."

Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 1676991)

The United MEC has gone hardcore in its efforts to take over ALPA, and in the process, regional flying. I wonder if Delta management is seeing this, and what their response is going to be?

Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 1677027)

Correct, and the reality is there are certain fiduciary responsibilities that our Pilot Director has that would legally disallow him to share information with anyone that is not on the board.

Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 1677027)

As PG writes, this in the PWA and had to be there for the Pilot Directors seat to be agreed to in CH11.

Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 1677027)

AKA, he can and does brief the MEC, but there may be at time when information that is not at a decision point cannot be shared with anyone except the BOD of DAL, Inc.

Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 1677027)

All of that happy crappy said, our pilot director does a good job and is a very responsible member of DAL's board.

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1677056)

I can only go by my previous service on two boards. During the in-brief I was schooled on SEC regs, board bylaws and signed an NDA. When my term was up, I was out-briefed and signed another document not to disclose for a period of one year. Again, I don't know Delta's rules, but this is very relevant...see below.



Of course he does but there is absolutely NOTHING criminal about giving/leaking misleading financial information to a union. The company's only legal responsibility is to correctly state finances in the 10-K's and 10Q's that company officers must now sign and to tell the truth in a public forum.



His hands are absolutely tied for sharing "rascal behavior." Criminal behavior he would have to report, but our board doesn't behave criminally. They behave in ways that are perfectly legal.



The NDA you signed was not a board member NDA, it was an MEC NDA which means you cannot divulge what you learn at MEC closed session meetings to anyone other than MEC members. Your briefing from the actual board member would not have included specific details - only general information that the board specifically allowed him to release to you.

Carl