Originally Posted by galaxy flyer (Post 1676659)

6 can't be a C-5, it's in the air, not on jacks. Then again, the gear's hangin'. Been there, done that.

How was the cat comp? Didn't make, honey dos.

GF

Originally Posted by gzsg (Post 1676694)

Makes me laugh that you think I need someone on the MEC to feed me. The MEC is as in the dark as the were last time when they got lower rates than they authorized as well as the reduced profit sharing they never discussed.

The hand is played early and offen by those carrying the ball for management.

C2015 if handled again by the insiders our pay increases will be funded by the loss or reduction in profit sharing and pay banding using management's math. Pay banding will cost hundreds of jobs, eliminate many seniority list instructors and cause major stagnation. Reductions in each and every category.

For those who are actually good people, understand that most on the MEC are clueless as to what the insiders have planned. They will be completely blindsided like Brian Craig was in C2012.

The concessions beyond the 76 seat RJs caught me by surprise last time. It never crossed my mind that we would make concessions when management needed relief from us and we were so profitable. This time, if I can help it, we will at least know going in what we are up against. If we play dead again we have no one to blame but ourselves.

That CDO jam down didn't work and hopefully neither will touching profit sharing or granting pay banding.

Our bankruptcy concessions are no longer required.

Originally Posted by gzsg (Post 1676707)

Sorry for not being more clear. The reps who vote and fly the line have no clue. These deals are put together by those on full time flight pay loss, part time or are just connected.

In The C2012 TA the MEC was bypassed. The pay was below their direction and reducing profit sharing was not authorized.

Trading profit sharing comes from guys like Chuck. Guys who are not elected. Guys who think they know better. The pilots are too stupid to understand his use of big words.

Let's let the process work.

These insiders are extremely powerful and they have been in place a long time. We have an uphill battle.

Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1676718)

I don't even really know who you are but you've only made thirty two posts so it was easy, and amusing, to go back and read them all.

Your response, or lack thereof, makes me think gzsg is spot on.

Originally Posted by SharpestTool (Post 1676359)

The 4833 you referenced yield an annual compounded increase of 6.85% over the duration of the contract from our original C2012 amendable date to the future amendable date. At that rate DAL pilot pay will double in 10.5 years. Assuming inflation remains at current levels, would you be happy with double your current pay rate in 10.5 years?

Lets say we ink another 4833 for contract 2015. Lets further assume we ink the deal 6 mo.s early as we did last time. The math says that is another 6.85% compounded annual increase over 3 years. Rough calculation says M88A (largest category at DAL) pays out around $252. Add on 15% 401K contribution, we get $290. Doable? Absolutely! Is it enough?

Let's keep going.

Another 3 years, $307 for a pay rate and total comp rate of $353.

Isn't compounding math fun? Let's look at the other side of the coin. Can Delta generate an annual compounded profit increase of 6.85%? Sure. The question is for how long? Can we increase our comp at 6.85% annually? Sure, we have demonstrated that. For how long?

Clearly the answer to those questions is not forever. We know this intuitively. Enough is a question that depends on how one sees the world. A linear view reveals quite a different result than a cyclical view. Exponential growth requires cyclic adjustment. Linear growth is far more stable and allows time for productivity to keep pace.

Time is the key element. 4833 as one time deal over a 3 year period is not particularly exciting. 48334833 over 6 years gets the blood flowing a bit. 483348334833 over 9 years is quite an eye opener that gets one's pulse going real good.

Would you sign off on a such a 9 year contract, assuming inflation remains at current levels? I know, ridiculous, but it's a thought experiment. I would in a heartbeat. There is virtually 0 chance DAL will grow profitability at that rate for that period of time.

A more reasonable question, and still a thought experiment, would you sign off on 4833 commencing Jun 1 2015?

I think 4833 is highly doable and likely a lower bound. Interesting.

Originally Posted by Bobman80 (Post 1676748)

Yes. I'm a regular pilot this month. Tomorrow is day three and day four was a deadhead only. Looks like it might be possible to get back late tomorrow night possibly eliminating the fourth day, a deadhead only day. The trip pay was based on trip rig credit. Thanks for this info!

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1676715)

You're saying "the NDA" and I take you literally to mean a singular NDA. Although I'm certainly not an expert on Delta's laws of incorporation and board rules, I think you're making a wrong assumption. An actual board member must sign a member NDA (Non Disclosure Agreement) which prohibits him/her from discussing anything that is learned during board meetings unless it's with another board member. The only way the Pilot Director could do what you say above is if the MEC had also executed board member NDA's. Not saying that's impossible, but I can't imagine Delta's board doing that. The Pilot Director has all the privileges of the other board members, but also same responsibilities to keep quiet. He would only be able to discuss board activities in the most general of terms with the MEC.

If I'm wrong on this and MEC members have active corporate board member NDA's, I'd like to be set straight.

Carl

Originally Posted by chuck416 (Post 1676870)

I'm on reserve this month, and have "off" days starting Saturday, and Sunday only. If for instance i get a 4-day G/S that departs on Friday--
>What would be the P/B days,
>What would be the compensation?