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Originally Posted by NuGuy (Post 1684647)

And the reps who voted for the Narita Deal, and claimed it was a great accomplishment at the time, voted to recall KR, so, what's the point there?

Nu

The "point" was to deflect, create division, dis-credit. SOP

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Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1684637)

It would be about 2.1 percent more however your pay rate would have been about 2% less.

Pretty sure the point is that we should have both more profit sharing and a higher pay rate during these times of record profits. But you know that already, don't you.

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Originally Posted by gzsg (Post 1684645)

Wasnt last years profit $2.7 billion?

I think we will see 10%-12%.

And there will be no downturn for.years.

Remember that the number we are really concerned with is pre-tax income, not profit. I'm pretty sure that number was north of 3 billion last year.

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Originally Posted by pilotjockey (Post 1684594)

not sure who is correct here, and no way to prove it. if both of these guys were theres a disconnect and the one claiming malfeasance apparently went along with it at the time because i dont remember any alpo at all who made a stink or mentioned it in council comms when it was going on. the only reps who complained didn't do it until after the ta was already out to the pilots. where was the "we have problems but we cant give specifics" statement before the last meeting

the alpos who said nothing until it was too late are weakspined and that inability to actually be accountable before it was done and the denial "dont blame me" window opens is why im fed up with alpo

the yes alpos suck too, but at least they had the balls to stand behind their vote

is there something other than alpo or dpa, jesus, they all suck but something has to change

Actually no one on either side of the aisle comments on negotiation specifics while they are happening. There is a thick veil of confidentiality to ongoing negotiations. That works for us and against us. The recriminations and rationalizations are always in the rear view. There is a definite momentum to the majority position somehow being more "right" or righteous. It's not, it's simply the majority. Believe what you will, and if you are happy with the results good for you. DYODD YMMV.

I just spoke with a buddy on the Scheduling Committee. He says the participation rate for the ongoing Rotation Construction Survey is hanging around 24 percent.

I am sure that all the commuters wouldn't mind if the guys who live in base had all the input, and vice versa.

Get off your butts and fill out the survey.

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Originally Posted by D Mantooth (Post 1684519)

Carl,

I'm just a lurker. God willing, this will be the only post I make, as arguing on the internet is a bit like racing in the Special Olympics - even if you win, you're still...well, you know.

Yikes that's a bad way to start off your career here at APC.

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Originally Posted by D Mantooth (Post 1684519)

That said, I need to correct one thing. I don't expect you to believe me, but perhaps others might.

Your rep is either lying to you or he has a bad memory.

I was there. Every step of the way. I was at every meeting, in every closed and executive section, and on every conference call. I assure you, the MEC knew from the start of negotiations that 76-seaters were on the table, and knew that reductions in profit sharing were being discussed near the end-game. If I cared enough to get out my notes, I'd find you the exact dates of the meetings during which we discussed the RJs, and the conference call during which the profit sharing reduction was discussed.

I have multiple conversations with multiple reps that say just the opposite. But since you were there every step of the way, you could be helpful. Here's how. First, care. Second, use your cell phone and take pictures of your notes that show the relevant topics including the dates and MEC members that were in attendance. Third, send me a PM and I'll walk you through the process of getting these photos on a share site and how to then attach images to your posts here on APC. Once we do that, we can contact the reps that stated otherwise and ask them to explain whether your notes are accurate.

I'll await your response.

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Originally Posted by D Mantooth (Post 1684519)

Perhaps your source missed some meetings and calls, but that doesn't mean that they didn't happen. The idea that the admin just went rouge, while widespread (by some with a questionable agenda), is simply false.

The evidence is clear to me that is exactly what happened. in fact, that's why so many MEC admins who went rogue were removed from office shortly after C2012 was voted on. But I'll look forward to seeing your evidence.

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Originally Posted by D Mantooth (Post 1684519)

Feel free to believe me or not. Your choice. But those reading your posts should know that just because something is repeated often doesn't make it true.

Belief is best gained through the examination of evidence. Look forward to yours.

Carl

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Originally Posted by Starcheck102 (Post 1684688)

Rotations are built to minimize credit time. Delta will not allow for one minute of extra credit time because of a survey's result.

Carl

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Originally Posted by gzsg (Post 1684645)

Wasnt last years profit $2.7 billion?

I think we will see 10%-12%.

And there will be no downturn for.years.

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Originally Posted by nwaf16dude (Post 1684660)

Remember that the number we are really concerned with is pre-tax income, not profit. I'm pretty sure that number was north of 3 billion last year.

Exactly. PTIX is what drives the profit sharing payouts for Delta employees.

There are 3 sides to every story; one side, the other side and the truth.

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Originally Posted by Fly4hire (Post 1684567)

And you sir are perhaps having some selective and contextual memory lapses as well while still being factual :rolleyes:. To wit a conference call does not constitute a meeting for parliamentary process, and "direction" can only be given in a meeting. The majority "opinion" during the call was do not trade profit sharing for pay. Why was it done? Because the MEC Ch and Negs danced around "direction" - the Reps didn't direct them not to because they couldn't because it wasn't a meeting. I recall a special meeting was proposed over the issue and the admin was adamant it was not necessary - in retrospect likely because direction might have been given contrary to where they wanted to go with PS for pay.

76 seaters were in the discussion *after* the 717 proposal was pitched by the company. That was not in the beginning of negotiations.

Of course my memory might be faulty also :p

This squares exactly with my conversation with reps back then.

Carl