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Simply not true Carl. Talk to one of your scheduling reps. It's rare for the company to run a min credit solution. There are exceptions like this summer on some narrow bodies where they were bumping up against the manning formula and yearly ALV average but it's not the norm. In fact in those categories there were lots of complaints because prior to going to min credit they were using input from the scheduling committee and the trips were much better. That applies in most categories.

sailingfun

07-15-2014 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by nwaf16dude (Post 1684660)

Remember that the number we are really concerned with is pre-tax income, not profit. I'm pretty sure that number was north of 3 billion last year.

It was 3.4 billion.

Purple Drank

07-15-2014 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1684637)

It would be about 2.1 percent more however your pay rate would have been about 2% less.

Perhaps if DALPA hadn't been so concerned about meeting the company's rushed timeline, you wouldn't need to use the words "however" and "less" in that context.

Would it hurt you to say "I'm opposed to concessions on C15."

Or would you prefer to keep assisting management by lowering our expectations?

sailingfun

07-15-2014 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by gzsg (Post 1684645)

Wasnt last years profit $2.7 billion?

I think we will see 10%-12%.

And there will be no downturn for.years.

Post tax was 2.7 billion. Pre tax which is what matters for profit sharing was 3.4 billion.

sailingfun

07-15-2014 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1684703)

There you go again trying to equate C2012 with management's decision to grow the airline. The two are not connected. We haven't displaced because the airline is growing...C2012 notwithstanding. If the airline were shrinking, we'd be displacing...C2012 notwithstanding.

I know you know this, yet you continue with this obvious straw man. Why is that sailingfun?

Carl

Carl, the increase in jobs verses the increase in block hours do not show any loss of jobs. We did not even start to grow until last November 18 months into the contract and never saw the CA displacements. One more time, crew planning did not making any changes in their staffing formulas for contract 2012. Our total system block hours are actually up only modestly at this point since the contract was signed yet the have now posted bids for almost 900 new Captains.

Carl Spackler

07-15-2014 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1684794)

I've already shown you and alfaromeo this airline's growth in ASM's since the contract was signed. The growth of pilot jobs has not increased commensurate with the airline's growth. You both chose not to respond to that post...I understand.

Carl

sailingfun

07-15-2014 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1684804)

ASM's have nothing to do with system block hours or pilot jobs for that matter. Straight from crew resources:

For the August 2014 bid period, mainline scheduled pilot block hours at a system level are up 3.3% compared to August 2012 and up 4.7% compared to August 2013.

Note that the first year after the contract was signed block hours actually went down.

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