Yes and no. As I understand it, there are bid periods during which many categories have excess pilots, i.e., not summer. During those times, the Company can either build a bid package will minimal credit time and pay out more reserve guarantee (since there are fewer lines), or build a bid package with more credit time and offset that additional credit with less reserve guarantee paid out (since there are more lines).

It is during those months, which are a majority of the year, that they do what they can for the RCC and us. To the extent that this is correct, I would think it would behoove each of us to fill out the survey.

Oh yeah, that's a valid reason not to provide input and direction.

Well, I'm not counting my chickens before they hatch!:) I suspect I might move up a couple of numbers. Any more than that would be gravy!

To tell you the truth, this year, I've been very happy with my juniority!:) I suspect that will change after the conversions from this AE bid but you know what they say, "Make hay while the sun shines!"

Denny

I didn't say that. My participation in the survey is where I got the preamble which I posted above. What I was hoping to convey was why the participation rates are so low. The usual suspects like Starcheck102 think it's because pilots spend too much time sitting on their butts. I wanted to provide another possible reason.

Carl

All these negotiations are the same. Management leaks through many sources. Just repeating what I hear.

Sailing is one of many direct pipelines from management.

He practically started crying until someone would agree we need to make concessions as part of C2015. This is the nightmare we all must overcome.

Who makes concessions during record profits?

Our executives just chalked up another year of double digit raises. Did they make concessions?

Especially after concessions of a 42% cumulative pay cut, loss of pension, and outsourcing of thousands of jobs resulting in many years of stagnation... and now 10 years later our pay rates are still at a 34% pay cut in buying power. I think we got the concession box already checked. :eek:

The major problem we have now is guys like sailingfun who view bankruptcy as a reset and measure any success we have going forward as if none of that had happened. That's the prevailing mentality in DALPA as well. IMO, that is our biggest obstacle to overcome.

Nice...finally some West Coast love from an AE. 25 320 FO's in SLC should make a lot of fellas happy.

gzsg/Jerry:

OK. But, this appears to be 2nd, 3rd, etc...-hand opinion-----to me. I doubt the line pilots will see anything from the company's 'Dream Sheet' before openers. A few rumblings, possible leaks and trial balloons, but few facts.

Thanks for responding,

DFW

A management parrot (sailingfun) has been trying mightily to sandbag our next contract, and the ALPA guys (Ron Rico, Alan Shore, pineapple guy, alfaromero, starcheck102, johnso29, etc) defend him--and even join in.

Madness.

Good news is, I don't think they're fooling any of the swing votes this time.

I have not talked with anyone from management other then one 10 minute conversation at a layover hotel in the last year. The only topic was the fleet plan. I also have posted nothing about concessions in the contract 2012. I have pointed out where there are huge flaws in logic like the panic you seem to want to create over pay banding.