Unfortunately shiznit, what I saw from you last time was angry demands that we support the NC no matter what. Never question them, always back them. Reps give initial direction, then shut up. As far as you "increasing awareness", the awareness you consistently stated last time was of lowered expectations and the defeatist attitude of never being able to win against the NMB. Is this the kind of "awareness increasing" you plan this time too? I guess time will tell.

Just like last time shiznit. Any input to the reps, and any rep input to the NC is just lobbing grenades and ruining everything. Anything other than blind obedience to the MEC administrators is grenade lobbing in your world. You won't lose the stink of being a tool to lower pilot expectations until you start using real and believable language. Not political triple speak.

That's the kind of language you need to use more often and consistently.

Nor do we want to see MEC admins ignore the direction of our elected reps and put forth a signed TA that doesn't meet the direction, then threaten the reps with ruination if they don't sign off and aid in the fear/sales campaign.

Indeed. Which part will you play this time shiznit?

Carl

I don't think it was until after 9/11 that Management got serious about BK, but by early 2003 they certainly were. Leo visited the cockpit and was surprisingly frank: "I'm a banker, and know that UAL waited too long."
That's when I knew it was coming, and took an early retirement shortly afterward. :(

That's really easy. Actually reflect the will of the pilots in negotiations as articulated by the contract survey and the direction of the status Reps. If you can't meet those goals (inside the negotiating box) go back to the MEC for further direction, in the parliamentary sense of the word. Do that and you'll have your unity and support.

I don't want to see 6 long term MEC insiders who the think they know better than the 12000 pilots, and 19 status Reps ignore the direction of those they work for and shortcut the process to achieve thier idea of what we need.

Democracy is not an option only if it gets you the result you desire :eek:

Depends on the level of management and who they were talking to. :cool:

At lunch among friends it was being discussed in the Summer of 2001. I am first hand witness. This isn't crustal ball stuff, I was there.

Your flight deck was a different audience and a different agenda.

I can never prove that Mullin was hired to take Delta through bankruptcy and more than anyone else can prove Anderson was hired to lead the Company through a merger with NWA. That is crystal ball stuff ... and their backgrounds certainly provided the training and experience needed to accomplish their particular assignments ... so I think it is fair to assume what we assume about these men.

Or, in other words ...



The only thing is, we are not the mob and this isn't a movie. This is real life.

I do not agree with blowing off our Admin Manual. But these guys saw a deal they thought was as good as could be had and they executed. Would have a more technically correct method, that resulted in less money and promotional opportunity been preferred?

I dunno. But I do know that after our MEC out their ratification on sending it to the pilots, it did not matter.

If we're going to be upset about a breech of protocol, how about authorizing Pinnacle to engage in negotiations with Delta management for Delta flying without the knowledge or participation of the Delta MEC? That's the bigger issue and it would appear nobody much cares ....

100% correct.

Carl

Are you serious Bar? That was your takeaway from fly4hire's post?

Unreal.

Carl

Your ad hominems amuse me, and Sailingfun can defend himself. Who else is on your list?

We have a lot of factors working in our favor for the next contract - the economy, our industry, our company's leadership of that industry, and the force of pattern bargaining at the NMB. I believe that we have the potential to regain the lead in hourly rates.

I am certain that any outcome, whether it is an on-time TA or a protracted slugfest through every line and verse of the RLA, will involve some give and take on each side. That's negotiating.

Make sure you fill out the Contract Survey. Every pilot matters.

Carl,

The take away is bolded, now twice, for your convenience in review.

Goodfellas is a great movie none the less.

Hogwash. Clearly we can get whatever wages and work rules we want. The company is making record profits. All we have to do is demand it, and management will comply. :rolleyes: