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tsquare 04-01-2014 12:38 PM


Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 1614562)

If the company is not going to help us fix the long call reserve coverage mess then I can think of lots of ways we should be enforcing our contract. There's your path.

What is the long call reserve mess? Seriously, I have no idea of the problem

tsquare 04-01-2014 12:40 PM


Originally Posted by 76drvr (Post 1614584)
19.7% increase in pay 24 months after the amendable date is a COLA raise? Please quantify "significant work rules" concessions. If there were "significant" work rule concessions, why are we hiring, why all the AE's with no displacements, why are the number of pilots required more today than in 2012 and why all the new captain bids?

Remember, it wasn't over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor. :D

Purple Drank 04-01-2014 12:41 PM


Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1614591)
What is the long call reserve mess? Seriously, I have no idea of the problem

and why would you? you got yours.

tsquare 04-01-2014 12:45 PM


Originally Posted by Purple Drank (Post 1614595)
and why would you? you got yours.

Well another typical idiotic post showing that you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. So far you are 2 for 2 today. Too bad you aren't playing baseball. But just to enlighten you, I am sitting short call as I write this. Reserve has nothing to do with overall seniority, Einstein. While I sit reserve by choice for the most part, it hasn't been all that bad. I guess they just know who you are and try to screw you at every opportunity. Sucks to be you....

forgot to bid 04-01-2014 12:54 PM


Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1614588)
Scope is better. Lots better than it was pre 2012.

i disagree. i think the economics of outsourcing with 50 seaters became untenable and they asked for a lifeline (a near 30% increase in larger more economical/profitable RJs) and we agreed.

We should never help make outsourcing more profitable... but lets hope even the CR9 equation turns out to not work AND we refuse any more lifelines next time around.

80ktsClamp 04-01-2014 12:55 PM


Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1614587)
You seriously need to let that go. It is irrelevant to any discussion going forward. Besides, dALPA doesn't control that. I guess the question is who you want to direct your anger at with respect to that line...

Ah, so any positives that have happened are a result of C2012, but negatives were something else.

Check Essential 04-01-2014 01:01 PM


Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1614591)
What is the long call reserve mess? Seriously, I have no idea of the problem


Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1614598)
I am sitting short call as I write this. Reserve has nothing to do with overall seniority,. While I sit reserve by choice for the most part, it hasn't been all that bad...


Are you sitting reserve under the contract or under Dickson's memo?
When you are on long call will you acknowledge every assignment within 2 hours as Dickson requires in his decree?
(don't tell me. let me guess :D)

Simply put => can you turn your phone off and get 8 hours sleep on long call?
Contract says yes. Dickson says no.

And that is the problem.

tsquare 04-01-2014 01:02 PM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1614603)
i disagree. i think the economics of outsourcing with 50 seaters became untenable and they asked for a lifeline (a near 30% increase in larger more economical/profitable RJs) and we agreed.

We should never help make outsourcing more profitable... but lets hope even the CR9 equation turns out to not work AND we refuse any more lifelines next time around.

There is much truth in that sentiment. It is also a fact that the 50 seaters are going away faster than originally planned. That being said, the unknown in the equation is really our difference of opinion on the issue, and that unknown is how long would it have taken us to achieve a contract, and would that contract have been better than the one we had. You cannot answer that any more than I can. I made my decision based on the information I had at the time, and for the most part, if presented the same information today, I would make the same decision. You get all wrapped around the axle about the bigger RJs, and that is fine, but those wouldn't have been coming to mainline in C12 unless it turned into C16 or something like that. And now that we have the results of the UAL and AAL contracts, it most certainly wouldn't have beien any better any sooner. We exchange openers in less than a year. None of the other players will be doing anything like that, and all of them have inferior contracts to ours. Who are we going to pattern off of? That was a bit of sidetrack, but I think you get my point. In the next contract.... I do not want to do ANY negotiating for scope. None.. nada... because it is a self correcting problem going forward. Why pay for something you are gonna get anyway.

Your turn.

tsquare 04-01-2014 01:05 PM


Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 1614607)
Are you sitting reserve under the contract or under Dickson's memo?
When you are on long call will you acknowledge every assignment within 2 hours as Dickson requires in his decree?
(don't tell me. let me guess :D)

Simply put => can you turn your phone off and get 8 hours sleep on long call?
Contract says yes. Dickson says no.

And that is the problem.

Simple is good. If I get called at 2am for a trip, it had better be at least 8 (or so) hours from then. If not... I guess I won't make it.

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