Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 1614424)

He is wanting to go ZRH-JFK, but needs to get up to Newport, or PVD, after JFK. I told him it would be easier to fly into ATL and then fly up to PVD, both on Delta mainline. Is there an easy way to get from NYC (LGA or JFK) up to Newport or PVD?

Originally Posted by slowplay (Post 1614547)

Can you point to examples of those similarly situated to us that have "put up some resistance" to achieve the results that you desire? Show me the path, and I'll get on the oar with you.

Originally Posted by slowplay (Post 1614450)

Then compare your W-2 from 12/12 to 12/13, realizing that 12/12 had 6 months of C2012 increases in the pay.

It won't look very much like the 4833 talking point. It won't look very much like the charts and graphs from amateur analysts throughout the ratification window.

Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 1614562)

I hope Captain Donatelli will take action soon.

Originally Posted by Sink r8 (Post 1614499)

Not a bad post at all, but you could make those points in a more elegant way if you skipped the pointing-of-the-finger part. You were piggybacking on one of sailing's posts, where he was attacking "the forum". I really don't know why he finds it important to perform this "I told you so" routine (or why you want to go one step further by naming individuals), especially since he's oversimplifying and misrepresenting much of the discussion. I see no value in this.

I think that opinion on the C2K/DPA is shifting. DPA has gone well beyond it's fifteen minutes, and failed to prove adept at... anything. Some of the predictions of advancement are materializing, even if mostly on the FO side. So there is the recognition that we're not doing too badly. A lot of guys are grinning when discussing 2013 W-2's.

HOWEVER, there is no consensus that C2012 is responsible for the growth, or that ALPA got all it could. There is still controversy about the profit-sharing. That's all still latent, but in my opinion, sentiment is shifting slowly. DPA tags and lanyards are going the way of the mullet.

There are two things you can do, in light of this: 1) let ALPA's hard work (and DPA ineptitude) drive pilot sentiment, or 2) preemptively try to lead a shift in opinion, and attack opposite viewpoints.

My read of the situation is that whomever speaks least, acts more, and lets results speak for themselves, wins.

Originally Posted by Purple Drank (Post 1614566)

We got a near-COLA raise while the company was poised to make record profits. In return, we coughed up some significant work rules.

Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1614405)

What we were told was that was wrong, we'd start hiring in... 2012.

Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1614522)

ah, I dont.

not everyone had tunnel vision on 4833. i had issues with scope.

and I guess the take away is thou shalt not question the NC, or do a little math.

or say no.

I am not sure why we are even allowed to vote.

Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1614587)

You seriously need to let that go. It is irrelevant to any discussion going forward. Besides, dALPA doesn't control that. I guess the question is who you want to direct your anger at with respect to that line...

Originally Posted by slowplay (Post 1614547)

A goal without a plan is just a wish. Antoine de St. Exupery.