Originally Posted by Denny Crane (Post 1520926)

Correct, he did not say that but I got the distinct impression that he would like to see it as a requirement for a memrat vote. You know 80%+ would be next to impossible to get.I would love to see 100% of guys vote for a contract. But I'm not for increasing the percentage required for passage. If that was done, it would subvert the will of the majority. The majority is the majority no matter how small it is.

Originally Posted by Denny Crane (Post 1520926)

Aren't you contradicting yourself a little here? In your first paragraph you say 50%+1 is a majority but not unity. In the second paragraph you say a greater majority would show unity. I believe they both show unity. Now, if you wanted to say a greater majority shows more unity than a smaller majority, I will agree with that.

Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1521014)

Dude, seriously, try decaf or non alcoholic beer or wear a tin foil hat... something. You are going completely around the bend.

Originally Posted by GunshipGuy (Post 1520970)

Carl, you kind of hit the nail on the head for me...as a fDAL guy I came in having been anti-union in mindset since birth. But during my first two weeks on property we go over to the DALPA building during indoc and we get the big warm welcome (which was nice), plied with alcohol and food, and oh, by the way, you're still going to pay most of these dues even if you don't sign up. So, I sign up. I'm a union guy now. But isn't my union supposed to be fighting to improve our contract for me and my fellow pilots? Sure doesn't seem like they're working to get our pay to where MOST of us think it should be. Why not more talk about where our pay should be? Why does my union spend more time talking about the threat the company keeps pointing to--foreign carriers? Sure, I get it, they're a threat to pilot jobs in our country. But doesn't it seem convenient that that's the topic we hear so much about from our union and the company as far as what we should be concerned about? And if it's not that then it's new FAA rules. Why don't I hear hardly anything about how we need to get our pay back to where it should be? (I say hardly, because I haven't heard anything, but maybe there's been some mention of this as an objective somewhere). It's as if they don't want to attract any negative attention from the company or show any indication of being on a different page from the company. So, yes, DALPA, you convinced me to join your union, but it's weird--I don't feel like I'm in a union based on how hunky dory the relationship is. The last thing I'm suggesting is that DALPA seek a contentious relationship; I don't pretend to think that would be good for any of us. But the BFF relationship? I guess that's good if you like the status quo.

Originally Posted by Doug Masters (Post 1521021)

Guys, its football time. Give it a rest for the day:)

Originally Posted by CVG767A (Post 1521002)

This is an idiotic remark, even by your standards, Carl. You have yet to even fly with a fDAL pilot. Just where is it that your gain your wise insight into our nature?

Originally Posted by CVG767A (Post 1521002)

I have the pleasure of flying with many fNWA pilots- probably one out of four guys I fly with are fNWA, in fact. They're great guys, and aren't different from fDAL guys in any significant way.

Originally Posted by CVG767A (Post 1521002)

You seem to be lashing out and denigrating your fellow pilot even more than usual. Are we witnessing the death throes of the Detroit Pilots Association now? It ain't pretty.

Originally Posted by CVG767A (Post 1521002)

You are one of the main reasons I've gone from posting here to occasionally lurking.

Originally Posted by Doug Masters (Post 1521021)

Guys, its football time. Give it a rest for the day:)

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-c...2/arizona1.jpg

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1521031)

Or some fDAL guy who stands at the doorway pre departure, and gives a PA on how many traps he's got in the F14 and F18...and even though the copilot wasn't military, he's still a fine pilot.

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1521012)

No, I've got the rocking chair shrink's opinion. Have a number of friends who interviewed with him. They tell me of this part of the interview:

Shrink: What are your thoughts regarding unions?

Pilot: We didn't have them in the military so I'm no expert, but I don't understand the concept of striking.

Shrink: And it's my job to ensure you never do.

As I said earlier, a lot of RD's got past his game...but a significant percentage didn't. I know you don't see it, but many others do. I'm one of them. Maybe we're all wrong.



Why would you say that? I don't think you've done anything but disagree with me since I got here...yet I'm still responding to you cordially.

Carl

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1521012)

No, I've got the rocking chair shrink's opinion. Have a number of friends who interviewed with him. They tell me of this part of the interview:

Shrink: What are your thoughts regarding unions?

Pilot: We didn't have them in the military so I'm no expert, but I don't understand the concept of striking.

Shrink: And it's my job to ensure you never do.

As I said earlier, a lot of RD's got past his game...but a significant percentage didn't. I know you don't see it, but many others do. I'm one of them. Maybe we're all wrong.



Carl