Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1684099)

Frankly, I do not know where the business cycle turns and if I did, I would not be a pilot.

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1684099)

We do a better job than most in our contractual engineering. Our Representatives will do the job we task them to achieve.

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1684099)

If we demand Delta pilots fly these scope busters, we will be in good shape. I am just pointing out the threats on the horizon and ask that we, as pilots, consider the environment we are flying into as we provide direction to our MEC in upcoming negotiations.

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1684137)

That's incorrect from what I've been told. The early negotiations were based on management wanting MRO cost savings for the old 50 seat RJ's. That is what management wanted and wanted quickly. We ended up giving them more jumbo RJ's with block hour ratio requirements and buying 717's that clearly management would have bought anyway. Our reps didn't know about 70 additional jumbo RJ's going in. That was nowhere in the pilot survey, and a very radioactive topic in my council. But we ended up with 70 additional jumbo RJ's anyway.

Carl

Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1684155)

The freezes within the bands and half the amount of fleet categories is the causality and the big savings, not the bands themselves, Jerry. Again, you are looking at the after effects and not diagnosing the correct causality.

Were we to allow freezes like that, then it would be a tremendous concession. That would be something to bark about, not the banding itself.

Originally Posted by RonRicco (Post 1684165)

The whole basis of the negotiations was to allow the company to encourage RJ operators to modify their contracts to eliminate 50 seaters, and in return get jumbo RJs as an enticement. Now, whether all the Reps agreed with entering negotiations on that premise is another story, but to say they were unaware is absolutely false.

Originally Posted by RonRicco (Post 1684165)

And you are right (I took the survey as well) it was not in there. On the other hand, every possible scenario can not be included in the survey. That is why we elect Reps and do not have a direct democracy.

Originally Posted by Denny Crane (Post 1683805)

Keep that feeling until you are proven wrong. There are a lot of other employees that transit the pilot lounge on a daily basis. IMO, leaving things in the lounge overnight is asking for trouble. I believe we had this problem a few years ago... I thought they put cameras in the area. Years ago I had a hat disappear....

Denny

Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1684217)

I keep trying to get my hat stolen. Lucky you.

Originally Posted by gzsg (Post 1684203)

I get it now and I agree. To me pay banding is longer freezes, that's where I lost you. I'm hearing RA wants 5 years and he states goals and achieves them. Scary.

Glad we agree longer freezes is a major concession.

Sorry for the slow uptake, I flew 5 legs yesterday. :eek:
Jerry

Originally Posted by SharpestTool (Post 1683350)

It would be nice to see the time and money spent on figuring out how to cool that beast on the ground. That and installing an espresso maker in the first class galley.

Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 1683912)

I agree. Delta pilots only in our lounges. No DCI pilots, no flight attendants. I always wonder why there are sometimes FA's using the computers in the ATL pilot lounge when their lounge is right across the road. We never go in to the DCI pilot lounges.

Originally Posted by GunshipGuy (Post 1684255)

And why do they typically park their bag right next to their chair while at the computer?:confused: