Lots of talk about pay banding.

Here's the thing: We already have partially banded pay.

Jerry,

What are you considering "pay banding?" Are you talking about LBP like tsquare holds so dearly? Or something in between like UA has? Just throwing that term around sounds like you just flailing your arms and screaming without any further details.

(I wouldn't be surprised one bit if we see something like UA on C2015, personally)

Was that for me??? Thanks! GO FROGS!

UAL

Their management claims a 50% reduction in training costs.

I will love to be wrong, but i see this as a done deal along with reduced profit sharing.

I also see a deal early. Way too many feelers and lowering of expectaions early.

Why touch profit sharing? Is Delta losing money?

Jerry

Should "pay banding" be framed as a commuter issue? Guys who don't want to take the hit for bidding down to equipment where they can hold a schedule that better facilitates their needs?

Are you telling us:

a) the "value is very slight" so we can feel good about giving it up
Or
b) the company wouldn't want it because the value is too slight

If "b"...then exactly how much "value" does a concession need to have for the company to want it? :confused:

Bucking Bar...my man, for a guy who preaches unity, you love to start ****.

First with the North/South baiting...now it's commuter/non-commuter divisiveness. Why? :confused:

I can't wait to.be wrong. Maybe ur buddies in the leadership can pull it off the table or commit to opposing pay banding.

Tell us how many additional pilots it will take to do 3000 initial training events in 2018?

500 retirements. 6 initials due to waterfall from 9 or 10 fleets and 8 pilot bases.

The concessions from C2012 are used up. The rubberband is stretched tight.

Again i hope you are right and there is no pay banding.

Good catch. Management will want pay banding and sell it as nothing.

The lowering of expectations is a full time job here.

Management perceives scope violations to be a transaction. They routinely order scope violating airplanes and ignore our JV scope only to gain relief at the last possible moment as we pilots cry "PAY ME PAY ME PAY ME." Our ALPA representatives represent us as we provide guidance in our surveys and comments.

If forecasts for a downturn from 2017 to 2020 turn out to be true, then the orders for scope busters are right on time, aren't they?

Can we change hearts and minds to see scope violations as sacrosanct than negotiating leverage? I don't know. We need to talk to our fellow pilots and ensure they have thoughtfully considered their priorities for C2015.

Frankly, I do not care a lot what these airplanes pay (we will never fly them). But it is very important that they be flown by Delta pilots. The larger strategic concern being that we continue to be THE source of pilot labor for Delta Air Lines and not some irrelevant minority. Maintaining our position of power is key to our negotiating legitimacy and our ability to deliver the PAY and BENEFITS our pilots deserve.

Purple,

Stop flame baiting.

I do not know why anyone would be in favor of banding. I am against due to the increased stagnation that will be a likely result. Someone like Alpha might be able to provide some data to help us evaluate what the effect has been at other carriers who have tried it.

It appears to be a relatively minor issue economically ... so, I am asking, are there other reasons that should be considerations? Are there other pro / con?

Candidly, it may be that commuting increases as those who can hold preferred bases take that move and others decide to commute for greater opportunities at a lower seniority level.