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Anyone want to try to explain when one can really walk?
Looking at my rotation I have one line the says ACT/MAX 7:30/11:10
Then below that it says 12:00/14:00/9:00
So in this case when can one walk?
Does any of this change down the road with the new FAR 117 agreement?

Per 117: 12 hours.

DAL 88 Driver

07-14-2014 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1684099)

Our Representatives will do the job we task them to achieve.

Ha! Like they did in C2012?! LOL.

Carl Spackler

07-14-2014 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1683906)

Carl, pay banding is a myth Jerry made up.

You don't know that.

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Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1683906)

There are no discussions with the company on the subject and none have been requested.

Sailingfun, you are not on the MEC, you are not an MEC administrator, and you are not in executive management at Delta. Thus you have no idea if this true or not.

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Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1683906)

Jerry floated these kinds of rumors constantly on the DALPA forum. 99% were BS.

Pot meet kettle sailingfun. I don't know of anyone on this forum who has been wrong more often than you.

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Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1683906)

You say you talk with your reps in DTW. What do they say.

My reps haven't said anything about it. But as I said earlier, they are often the last to know. For example, reductions in profit sharing were specifically not authorized without concurrence with the MEC. Yet the negotiators did it anyway. That's the problem.

Carl

Carl Spackler

07-14-2014 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by RonRicco (Post 1683939)

Carl,

I certainly won't disagree with the part about the profit sharing, but the reps were fully aware of the additional jumbo RJ's as that was what the negotiations were predicated on.

That's incorrect from what I've been told. The early negotiations were based on management wanting MRO cost savings for the old 50 seat RJ's. That is what management wanted and wanted quickly. We ended up giving them more jumbo RJ's with block hour ratio requirements and buying 717's that clearly management would have bought anyway. Our reps didn't know about 70 additional jumbo RJ's going in. That was nowhere in the pilot survey, and a very radioactive topic in my council. But we ended up with 70 additional jumbo RJ's anyway.

Carl

Carl Spackler

07-14-2014 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1683967)

I doubt they will be much of a issue. It's much ado about nothing.

Great. Then you won't mind if some of us just waste our time in communication efforts for something that will never happen.

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Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1683967)

Lots of data on airlines with pay banding. Very minimal effect on overall training.

Great. Post some of that data...since there's "lots" of it.

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Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1683967)

Combine that with the fact we are almost pay banded now with our rates it has little meaning.

I'm almost on the PGA Golf Tour as well. I shot 86 today. Almost there!

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Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1683967)

As I post over and over follow the money. The company has not asked for it because it's value is very slight.

Again, you have NO IDEA what the company has asked for. None.

Carl

Carl Spackler

07-14-2014 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1683997)

Lots of talk about pay banding.

Here's the thing: We already have partially banded pay.

Jerry,

What are you considering "pay banding?" Are you talking about LBP like tsquare holds so dearly? Or something in between like UA has? Just throwing that term around sounds like you just flailing your arms and screaming without any further details.

(I wouldn't be surprised one bit if we see something like UA on C2015, personally)

If that ends up being the case, I would hope that it's because a majority of pilots put pay banding on their list of important things to obtain. Since we won't be shown these survey results either, all we can do is hope.

Carl

TCMC17RES

07-14-2014 02:38 PM

Delta ae?

Anyone hear when the next AE is due out? I thought it was today.

80ktsClamp

07-14-2014 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by TCMC17RES (Post 1684149)

Anyone hear when the next AE is due out? I thought it was today.

I heard the week of the 14th. Sooo....

gzsg	07-14-2014 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1684119)

What I'm saying is their reduced training doesn't come from the pay banding- it comes from the fact that they have half the fleet categories that we do. Even on their 767, their pilots fly all models of 757 and 767, while we split off the 767-400 into a completely separate category.

I'm sure the pay panding has a limited effect, but the vast majority of the effect is the fact that they have about half of our fleet categories, thus that much less training. That's where you fell off the wagon, so to speak.

Make more sense?

I see what you are saying, but I do disagree.

We have more fleets and that is why management wants to pay band and increase freezes to 5 years if you move between within a band. They stand to gain more than UAL and we will lose many, many jobs. Large stagnation will result.

If pay banding didn't cut UAL training costs in half, why did UAL management want it? I got this number directly from a UAL MEC member. The next day I hear RA wants to cut our training costs in half. How is going to do that without pay banding?

What I see, is the usual suspects saying pay banding is no big deal. Which means we should do it for a bag of jelly beans.

Hopefully like sailing said I just made it up and it will not be in C2015.

Time will tell.

Jerry

80ktsClamp

07-14-2014 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by gzsg (Post 1684152)

The freezes within the bands and half the amount of fleet categories is the causality and the big savings, not the bands themselves, Jerry. Again, you are looking at the after effects and not diagnosing the correct causality.

Were we to allow freezes like that, then it would be a tremendous concession. That would be something to bark about, not the banding itself.

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