GS's are double pay no credit to the company. Every airline has to have a mechanism to surge for IROPS. This is ours. Double pay is a punishment for understaffing. In addition green slips trigger a increase in the manning formula.
Going to a pay no credit formula in the initial line construction is a whole different animal. It's not a penalty to the company but a boon. If they could shift 20 percent of the block hours to pay no credit pilots could make 20 percent more. That's as long as you're in the top 80 percent. If you're in the bottom 20 percent your new salary is going to be zero. In addition many pilots would take a hourly rate cut as they move backward.
Its a dangerousness concept to allow. We could simply go to the system SW has and allow pickups at straight rates to FAR's. Senior guys who want cash will love it. The bottom of the list not so much. It's bad enough we allow some circumvention of the cap via swaps and the swap board. Let's not go further.

I see nothing in this bullet point, or any of the others, so suggest that this TA will allow a pilot to fly more hours in a month. All this bullet point says is that the max time a pilot can spend on an individual duty period will be the same as the FAR. From what I've seen, that is sometimes more than the PWA allows and sometimes less.

There is nothing here that would raise the LCW or WS pickup limit.

Just a guess, but I assume that replacing DPA with ADG will give a domestic pilot more days off each month for the same amount of pay. Would that not be a start?

The 10 A330's are the bridge order. At the moment the company feels they have the right amount of widebody hulls. The end of the lie flat mod line frees up 6 airframes and they have the 10 330's coming. That's 16 airframes for new markets. Don't count on any thing else.

That's not the way the current system works with respect to WS. The only trips that you OWN (other than if you check the 0700 box...see 23.E.3.a.2) are trips that are BEYOND next day coverage. For beyond next day coverage or 23.E.3.a.2 trips, crew scheduling does not have to advise you of those.

I know of no situations where crew scheduling can award you a WS greater than 12 hour report and it's yours, whether you acknowledge it or not. See 23.E.4

[QUOTE=Check Essential;1647726]Our "productivity" is getting out of control.
It costs jobs and it eliminates family and leisure time.

Every time we allow more flying for pay and no credit it just continues our steady march toward no limits at all on the number of hours people can fly in a month.
This TA apparently is going to go almost all the way.

Reference Donatelli's bullet point:
· Adopts FAR FDP limits for actual operations.

That would seem to suggest that we've pretty much given up on any notion of limiting the amount of flying an individual pilot can perform in a month. If its legal under the FAR FDP limit then we can do it. No more contractual limits.


This is not correct. The change you refer to is for max duty day. In some cases it would go up. It has nothing to do with contractual Block hour limits.

Bonus points for working in "total unobstructed cohesiveness!"

Are you the appointed by the company to make statements on their behalf? When you make statements like "the company feels..." it sure sounds that way.

You have a long history of "speaking for the company." In fact, you do this every time there is a pending contract change. It's hard to tell if you just feel special having "secrets" whispered in your ear or if you have another agenda in play. Just who keeps feeding you information? And have you ever questioned whether someone might be using you to help undermine the pilot group by feeding you deliberate false information?

United and US do them all the time to the caribbean... just sayin. US uses them so heavily that they have virtually no caribbean layovers.

Their concern is warranted given the limited data given by ALPA to the masses so far (this thread moves so fast its easy for lurkers to miss things), and you are also not as right as you think you are.

That ADG part I like. No argument there.
But we're talking about trips that go out for pay/no credit.
Guys will fly more and make more money but it will reduce manning and cost jobs.

OK. That makes me feel better.
"I'd like to work longer days" was the first thing I put on my survey.