Guys I went to state college, which is like going to high school twice, so go easy! Have not read the whole TA but tell me there is something in there that will get rid of the worst butt sucking 3 day 10hour trips like we have in LAX......

CRIMINAL :mad:

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The company asked for CDO's

Think about that for a minute. WHY?

Because they stand to make more a$$ load$ of ca$h.

Take a 1.5 hour circle and draw it around Charlotte, you know, the USAirways/American hub. Take all the viables, RDU, GSO, SAV, GSP, you get the picture.

Delta's marketing will create a CDO from those cities to ATL. Perhaps they even add a late night bank with more utilization of the NBs they are short of.

As they siphon off their competitors traffic that had better options going through CLT, but now have equal or better options through hooterville, they make cash!

What did we just get for that giant concession. :mad:

It's not in Section 12, it's in Section 13 E. of the PWA. The words you need to search for in the Live Contract are "legal duty leave". The key ingredient is that you are required to notify the Pilot Support Center immediately upon receiving a summons. After that, they are obligated to ensure you are available to perform your legal duties. If that means they need to drop all or a portion of a trip to do so, you are pay protected. If notification occurs before bidding closes for the affected month, the company has the option of pre-posting the legal duty leave on your schedule and it pays 5:15 for each day they pre-post.

If you fail to notify them immediately upon receipt of the summons, they are still obligated to ensure you are free from work to perform your legal duties, however they are no longer contractually required to pay protect you. Bottom line, let them know ASAP because a brothas gotta get paid.

Trying to find something around here to laugh at.

That is true, but I don't think it is applicable here... If an SDP is no more than 4:00 block, and the duty rig will pay and credit approx. 6:50 at most, it's still more expensive in pay of 7:30 and credit of 6:50 to operate two legs as an SDP instead of part of a "normal" rotation where it can end up as a block time pay instead of credit.

With pay/no credit above other rigs, well we didn't have an ADG 2 years ago, now we are about to have a 5:15 (and we went from two carve outs to one)... Section 6 is less than a year out and that is a perfect time to up the SDP to pay and credit (and maybe even to 7:45 or 8:00!)

Incremental gains add up over time.
Oh gawd, I'm going to openly admit I agree with PD and gszg also. :D
(I've always been a QOL over money guy too...but I'd like both when possible!)

Same here, except I couldn't get on the internet. :p I did do a fair amount of hand building the lines of time at my previous airline for the categories in my base back then while at the hotels though, which was productive.

In a galaxy far, far away I did over 70 (not by choice) split duty rotations (high speeds was what we called them then) without any other type of intervening trip over a 5 month period at my previous airline. It took planning for me to be responsible for my rest and ensure I was sleeping as much as possible during the day. There were always things I would rather be doing, but it was ultimately my responsibility to ensure I was rested before I showed up for a high speed. This included commuting in early to ensure I could sleep before reporting for the first one in a typical string of 4 in a row.

While I did many of them and did not suffer from excessive fatigue (because I planned accordingly) nor did I have any health complications as others have intimated, I am not currently in favor of allowing them in our PWA.

I am arguing that 3 pilots is cheaper than 4. I am thinking of the Caribbean turns where a crew deadheads down and flies back. Now that trip will be done with 1 captain and 2 first officers instead of 2 captains and 2 first officers. I could handle it if it was done with 2 captains and 1 first officer. I am disturbed about losing that captain position.

As do concessions, fatigue and lousy work rules.

I'm still waiting to see a domestic 757 or 737 with a class 3 rest facility to fly said rotation legally.:confused:

Have you asked your rep if the dinner/movie flights will be affected and why/why not?

A good point. I believe there are multiple "gotchas" to the new rules being proposed. The company has a team that looks at these things over a long period of time (longer than the NC). The company makes the first offer anchoring everything to what they are after.

More food for thought, those flying international that feel insulated from CDO's right now...if banding occurs in the future (and it likely will to reduce training footprint), those same guys may choose to fly domestic for the same pay but then run into CDO's.

Anything that reduces safety or bodies required should be quickly rejected.

If a proposal doesn't pass the sniff test and the "gains" are based upon sorta, kinda, maybe and surgically extracting best case scenarios are used (as some within our union have been known to offer up to get to "yes")....these type of offers should be rejected forthright.