Scambo,

For the EWR-CDG, I get:

FDP = 1:30 brief + 7:30 block = 9:00
Flight time = 6:50
Time available for breaks = 5:20 (:30 to TOC, back in your seat 1:00 before landing)
Time required for PF = 2:00
Time available to be split between PM and relief = 3:20
Time required for PM = 1:30 (this is met)
You can give both the PM and RP 1:40.

FDP midpoint is 4:30 before block-in, 4:20 before landing. The FP break must start NET 4:20 before landing. Take out 1 hour where everyone must be back in their seat. That leaves 3:20 between the earliest start of the PF break, and the end of the 3rd break.

If the FP complies with the "2:00 in the 2nd 1/2 of FDP" requirement, that leaves, at most, 1:20 for a 3rd break. Therefore, that pilot cannot be the PM, who requires 1:30.

Assuming you want to meet the requirements of the FAR for augmented crews, and the FOM, I think you have to move the FP to 3rd break for these shorter flights.

At 7:30 Flight Time, your FDP should be ~ 9:40 (1:30 briefing + :30 taxi-out + :10 taxi-in). At that point, you can give 2:00 to everyone. Your mid-point on the FDP is 4:50 before block-in, 4:40 before landing, so you have 3:30 between the mid-point, and TOD. So you can't give 2:00 to everyone as a single block.

So 7:30 FT is a milestone where you can treat everyone the same, but you still have to have the FP on 3rd break to meet all requirements.

So I can go sit in the back, and relax, right?

The FAR simply states if the flight is augmented. If you declared it unaugmented and diverted you would not have access to the longer duty day. The RP would also not be allowed to function as a crewmember.

http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/me...owmaggedon.jpg

So, how is Atlanta with 2inches of snow?

Why would you post a picture of an A10, in afterburner?

A10's don't even have afterburners!

Oh...wait. ;^)

If you make your flight time 10:30, and subtract 1:30 climb/descent, you have 3:00 apiece, your RP is required by the PWA and the FAR, and you still have to have 2:00 of the FP break in the 2nd 1/2 of the FDP. That midpoint would be at 1/2 of 12:40, or 6:20 before block-in, 6:10 before landing, leaving 5:10 for breaks between the mid-point of FDP, and TOD. Everyone gets 3:00 rest, and in that case, you could meet all requirements, by having a 2:00 portion of the FP break in the 2nd 1/2 of the FDP.

I think if you were 10 minutes shorter on the FT, you'd just meet requirements.

Short of ~ 10:30 FT, you have to take a shortcut somewhere, OR screw someone, OR you have to have the FP on 3rd break. That's most NYC flights. How about ATL? You have a lot of 3-man legs with FT ~ 10:30?

Well done sir.... I think. What this shows is an interesting quirk. I haven't fully digested your numbers... I think they are right... and if they are, I have to wonder how this makes us safer. IMHO, having 3rd break doesn't enhance safety necessarily. It might for some people... for others, not so much.

I will have to say that 10 minutes for taxi in in CDG i some righteously funny stuff though. I still can't stop laughing....:D

How do you "declare the flight unaugmented", and more importantly, why would you?

This was a nice bunch I flew with to HNL.
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c2...psf20f8426.jpg

No kidding. That switches the mid-point further out, of course, and makes it even more difficult for conspicuously conscientious Delta pilots to diligently slice-and-dice the numbers.

The good news: no one will be able to check your work. Just tell the Captain "the break's in there".