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Good question, Timbo. I was thinking about shorter than expected legs, based on tailwinds, like EWR-AMS in the winter. For argument's sake, let's say your rotation shows 8:01.

Which brings up a good question: is the FDP calculated on the rotation, or the expected block in for a particular day.

You have scheduled FDP on the rotation for extension purposes, but certainly rest is based off scheduled block time.

scambo1

01-28-2014 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 1568766)

I think we should get two Relief F/A's in the cockpit, from Singapore, in high heals and short skirts, for that 7:45 leg down to SIN late at night! :eek:

Watch how senior that trip would go then! :D

You don't have them already?

Sink r8

01-28-2014 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Scoop (Post 1568765)

So one of your concerns is the flight is too short to each have a 2:00 break? Damm, I need to bid INTL FO ASAP!

No, the problem is that we always divided the breaks, and had a very good system, which 117 is micromanaging. The FP minimum break is a new requirement. When a flight gets to be short enough, you can't respect that, and the old way of doing things, without screwing someone somewhere, and/or compromising safety.

T brings up a valid problem, and I only see one slightly unpopular solution, and some really unpopular other solutions, to comply with the constraints.

Timbo

01-28-2014 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1568770)

You don't have them already?

Not dedicated to the cockpit.

There was one with a really neat compass tatoo'd on her butt cheek that was nice enough to show it to us though.

That kept us awake for awhile! :eek::D

Wish I could find her again! ;)

scambo1

01-28-2014 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Sink r8 (Post 1568764)

Same answer as for Timbo, to a good point by Scambo. Let's say your rotation shows 8:01, but your block time on the release shows 7:10.

So I'm counter-hypotheticalling you.:D

Well Timbo brings the real counter-hypothetical up. NRT-SIN blocked at 745 two pilot op and no breaks. After all it is about safety...

How do you do a stall recovery with a cute new hire SIN FA in your lap facing you? Oh yeah now I get where FR 117 came from. Safety...Riiigghhht.:eek:

80ktsClamp

01-28-2014 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 1568750)

Why would you have 3 pilots on a flight less than 8 hours? Or is this part of the new 117?

Going east to near yurop in the winter tends to be under 8. Coming back is over 8...therefore 3 pilots.

Timbo

01-28-2014 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1568777)

Going east to near yurop in the winter tends to be under 8. Coming back is over 8...therefore 3 pilots.

Yeahbut...on the way over, if it's scheduled under 8, you don't need a relief pilot, so why the discussion on how long his break is going to be? If I were him, I'd be in F/C sipping something strong, watching a movie. Why doesn't the company just schedule him as a DH on that leg?

Sink r8

01-28-2014 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1568767)

You have scheduled FDP on the rotation for extension purposes, but certainly rest is based off scheduled block time.

I'm a little slow today... You mean the planned blocked time, based on today's release?

scambo1

01-28-2014 11:08 AM

it seems to me that over 8, the math still works. What has changed is which break the FP is supposed to get. Under 8, the math doesn't work and was never intended to work, so the RP gets boned.

I don't see a problem with either of the above.

Sink r8

01-28-2014 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 1568779)

Hey, it's my hypothetical, and the rotation shows 8:01 Eastbound, 9:00 back!

:)

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