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OK, seems like we're struggling with why the third guy is there, and whether he has to be there. At a minimum, he's there because the contract says so, and I think we want to be in the business of enforcing the contract.

Regardless of the reason, you've got three guys. You want to use the third guy? He needs to be rested, because he's liable. If you want to go the other way, like CAL used to, then let's put the relief in the cabin, with a Scotch in hand, for the outbound leg to Europe.

Sadly the FAR does not agree with you.

tsquare

01-28-2014 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Sink r8 (Post 1568705)

Good point. Does the FDP include the :30 debrief time, after block-in?

No it does not.

Sink r8

01-28-2014 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1568837)

Sadly the FAR does not agree with you.

Which part of my post does the FAR disagree with?

Does the FAR have a specific rule for how to schedule rest for augmented crews that are FAR required, vs. how to schedule rest for augmented crews that are required by the PWA?

If you're flying with an augmented crew, and you don't comply with the rest assignments for augmented crews... are you legal just because your flight is < 8:00?

If your "relief" is not required, and you're not planning to rest them accordingly, then what are they doing in your cockpit?

forgot to bid

01-28-2014 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 1568736)

(FTB, can you give me a emoticon of a hornet's nest being smacked with a stick?)

http://static2.wikia.nocookie.net/__...-18_Hornet.png

http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs71/f/20...co-d35t6q7.gif

http://baimun.home.comcast.net/~baimun/poke.gif

Amazingly, haven't found one yet. That's what the search results came back with. I'm going to try again and this time image.google search Julianne Hough, this should work.

dalad

01-28-2014 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by iaflyer (Post 1568820)

Errr... scotch in hand? While I would love to DH to Europe to fly back, at CAL the relief FO deadheads in coach I believe, unless there is an upgrade available. Don't quote me on that, but I think that's the way it is - or was - a few years ago.

Also, at half the credit.

tsquare

01-28-2014 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Dash8widget (Post 1568723)

The FDP does not start at pickup from the hotel - it starts at scheduled report time. 1:30 (intl, iirc) or 1:00 (domestic) prior to scheduled push. Transportation from the hotel is specifically excluded in the FAR.

Which is the same as the pick up time from the hotel. But... can you quote the part where hotels are excluded? As far as I am concerned, that should count also. IOW, it cannot start at scheduled pushback time I wouldn't think.

scambo1

01-28-2014 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Sink r8 (Post 1568832)

How about :30 for taxi-out, :10 for taxi-in, so FT of 6:50?

In this case any break received is not required and is a gift from the benevolence of the dear leader.

tsquare

01-28-2014 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 1568736)

Here's a question, why does the "Relief Pilot" get any break at all?? :eek:

He's only there to -Relieve- the other two pilots so they can get some rest. They are doing the actual flying, not him, right? So why should he get the same break as the two "Flying Pilots"?

Discuss... :D

(FTB, can you give me a emoticon of a hornet's nest being smacked with a stick?)

New hire position??????

Fire away.

iaflyer

01-28-2014 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1568804)

When I was on the -er, the mid galley was the source of all the plate rattling and then the cart wielding ranchers who worked on their ability to hip-check the rest area curtain. Rest only happened on 2nd break. (not based on science, but experience)

Thanks. That was my exact experience on the ER too. One of the topics of conversations at 30W eastbound with the other FO was how to get the best "rest" as well as how block the FAs from waking you up.

Some put up the tray table and put the curtain around it. Some shoved the curtain into the seat to it wasn't moved every time a size 20 went by.

Kept us occupied until the sun came up.

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