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tsquare 11-14-2013 09:10 AM


Originally Posted by Purple Drank (Post 1519915)
Does 42% count?

If you are gonna hang your hat entirely on that, you will be sorely disappointed, I don't care who is negotiating the contract.

TenYearsGone 11-14-2013 09:12 AM


Originally Posted by orvil (Post 1519913)
ATL 73N/A's are out via the back door. I must have screwed something up. I'm waiting for the reasons report.

Dont worry. For the past 3 months all of my bid award results were completely different than my icrew "auto-populated schedule". My PBS bids closely matched the icrew screen.:confused:

The Bid Award page was completely opposite of what I wanted. Good thing the icrew page is official.:)

TEN

DAL 88 Driver 11-14-2013 09:13 AM


Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1519892)
Of course, we could use the DPA ideals, say no and follow the APA model.

Can you point me to where DPA (or anyone else) has said we should "just say no" and follow the APA model? I must have missed that. Thanks.

scambo1 11-14-2013 09:15 AM


Originally Posted by TenYearsGone (Post 1519925)
Dont worry. For the past 3 months all of my bid award results were completely different than my icrew "auto-populated schedule". My PBS bids closely matched the icrew screen.:confused:

The Bid Award page was completely opposite of what I wanted. Good thing the icrew page is official.:)

TEN

Dec was a tough month to bid. I am bracing for disappointment.

tsquare 11-14-2013 09:22 AM


Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver (Post 1519927)
Can you point me to where DPA (or anyone else) has said we should "just say no" and follow the APA model? I must have missed that. Thanks.

Well than you need to explain your last rant on me because I can read that no other way.

DAL 88 Driver 11-14-2013 10:07 AM


Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1519936)
Well than you need to explain your last rant on me because I can read that no other way.

Imagine something in between "just say no" and "just say yes." Imagine having an objective of restoring this profession and putting our careers back on track. Imagine not resigning ourselves to acceptance of bankruptcy+ being the new standard or "new normal." Only then will you be able to understand. And if you don't have enough appreciation for the value of what we do to be willing to fight for it, then you can tuck your tail between your legs and accept your fate. Just don't expect me to go along with that.

Purple Drank 11-14-2013 10:09 AM


Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1519921)
If you are gonna hang your hat entirely on that, you will be sorely disappointed, I don't care who is negotiating the contract.

And if we fail to recognize that we've already given up a tremendous amount with pennies on the dollar in return, we won't be disappointed? C'mon, man. I guess I don't see what you are advocating for, other than the status quo, which is costing us a great deal of money in lost wages/compensation.

Razorback one 11-14-2013 10:25 AM


Originally Posted by Hillbilly (Post 1518683)
Razor,

Most importantly, I wish you the best in your recovery and return to the line. I appreciate you sharing your story for the benefit of others.

As a point of clarification, it is not technically correct that you can only get DPMA 2 times in your career. DPMA was a maximum lifetime benefit of 2 years. An individual event is capped at 1 year of benefits. If you only used 6 months of DPMA for an event, you would still have 18 months of benefits available over the remainder of your career.

Over the course of a career, a pilot could have 2 events of 1 year each, 24 events of 1 month each or anything in between.

Wow! The things one learns from APC! Hillbilly is confirmed correct. I talked to DPMA today. Thank you for the correction and I hope that I didn't lead anyone astray.

R1

DAL 88 Driver 11-14-2013 10:29 AM


Originally Posted by Purple Drank (Post 1519956)
And if we fail to recognize that we've already given up a tremendous amount with pennies on the dollar in return, we won't be disappointed? C'mon, man. I guess I don't see what you are advocating for, other than the status quo, which is costing us a great deal of money in lost wages/compensation.

Exactly. I figure the average MD88/90 Captain will have lost about $1 million in pay from 2005 to 2015. And nobody (including myself) is asking to be repaid for that. We're just asking to have our pay restored going forward. Especially in light of our company's success, I think that's more than reasonable!

Xray678 11-14-2013 10:38 AM


Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver (Post 1519970)
Exactly. I figure the average MD88/90 Captain will have lost about $1 million in pay from 2005 to 2015. And nobody (including myself) is asking to be repaid for that. We're just asking to have our pay restored going forward. Especially in light of our company's success, I think that's more than reasonable!

I would love have our pay restored, but how can Delta pay us a large premium over other airlines without affecting our financial results? I don't think as easy as saying we want pay restoration. We have to chip away at it while allowing the rest of the industry time to catch up, or even surpass us.


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