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boog123 11-12-2013 03:24 PM


Originally Posted by sinca3 (Post 1518650)
^^^^THIS^^^^

Amen Brotha

sinca3 11-12-2013 03:29 PM


Originally Posted by groundstop (Post 1518632)
People are worried about re-routes. When you look at the trip coverage sequence, do you realize how far down re-routing a pilot is? It's pretty far. Green slips have to go out. They can skip all that and re-route a pilot to protect the schedule, but according to the contract, those who should have had the opportunity to green slip it should get paid.

And where is the check valve on this? There is no way to see if they offered a trip to a GS pilot before breaking it up, changing the pairing number, and assigning it to AA (airport appreciation) pilots or someone inbound on their original rotation.

CheapTrick 11-12-2013 03:29 PM


Originally Posted by sinca3 (Post 1518650)
^^^^THIS^^^^

Salient point indeed!

DAL 88 Driver 11-12-2013 03:37 PM


Originally Posted by sinca3 (Post 1518653)
And where is the check valve on this? There is no way to see if they offered a trip to a GS pilot before breaking it up, changing the pairing number, and assigning it to AA (airport appreciation) pilots or someone inbound on their original rotation.

I was wondering the same thing. I didn't know that what groundstop said is the case. But even if it is, how is it enforced? I don't see any way to even monitor it.

Purple Drank 11-12-2013 03:52 PM


Originally Posted by sinca3 (Post 1518653)
And where is the check valve on this? There is no way to see if they offered a trip to a GS pilot before breaking it up, changing the pairing number, and assigning it to AA (airport appreciation) pilots or someone inbound on their original rotation.

DALPA's got this.

They've got a great thing going with "constructive engagement." No need to worry.

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scambo1 11-12-2013 04:01 PM


Originally Posted by groundstop (Post 1518632)
People are worried about re-routes. When you look at the trip coverage sequence, do you realize how far down re-routing a pilot is? It's pretty far. Green slips have to go out. They can skip all that and re-route a pilot to protect the schedule, but according to the contract, those who should have had the opportunity to green slip it should get paid.

I don't believe that is the whole story. It has been a long time since I've been rerouted, but I think a pilot can be rerouted from/on his original rotation with some limitations on when he gets back to base on his last day.

I think you are talking about open time.

The real question IMO is what defines an IROP which is what reroutes are designed to minimize.

Of course I could be wrong. I never have been a contract admin guy.

iaflyer 11-12-2013 04:07 PM


Originally Posted by groundstop (Post 1518632)
People are worried about re-routes. When you look at the trip coverage sequence, do you realize how far down re-routing a pilot is? It's pretty far. Green slips have to go out. They can skip all that and re-route a pilot to protect the schedule, but according to the contract, those who should have had the opportunity to green slip it should get paid.

Well. I see that rerouting pilots is #14 out of 29, but for some reason I think they are rerouting pilot before using "Out of Base pilots who have submitted GS #13".

They can't tell me there are going through each step before rerouting an ATL M88 crew into a CHS turn.

Purple Drank 11-12-2013 04:17 PM


Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1518668)
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The real question IMO is what defines an IROP which is what reroutes are designed to minimize.

If I'm not mistaken, an IROP can be declared by the company pretty much anytime for anything.

In other words, FAR117 itself could be considered an IROP.

Hillbilly 11-12-2013 04:21 PM


Originally Posted by Razorback one (Post 1518243)
Unfortunately, I know a little about the Loss Of License. Your benefit is $1200 a month. The kicker is 1year waiting period. You must appy for the LOL benefit within 90 days of when you first called in sick. I can't remember how long it lasts, and I hope I'm better before I find out. DPMA covers you for the first 12 months. DPMA is a max of 12 months and a max of 2 times in a career.
Friendly advise from your fellow DAL guy: Get your life insurance and disability insurance NOW! It can happen to you! I'm 37 years old, 2 kids and a stay at home mom, with cancer. I will be back but with CT scans for the rest of my life. I have some life insurance but should have more. I will never be able to qualify for more.
I don't want to scare anyone, but it can and does happen. Protect your family.

Razorback one
NBCSICB

Razor,

Most importantly, I wish you the best in your recovery and return to the line. I appreciate you sharing your story for the benefit of others.

As a point of clarification, it is not technically correct that you can only get DPMA 2 times in your career. DPMA was a maximum lifetime benefit of 2 years. An individual event is capped at 1 year of benefits. If you only used 6 months of DPMA for an event, you would still have 18 months of benefits available over the remainder of your career.

Over the course of a career, a pilot could have 2 events of 1 year each, 24 events of 1 month each or anything in between.

scambo1 11-12-2013 04:22 PM


Originally Posted by Purple Drank (Post 1518680)
If I'm not mistaken, an IROP can be declared by the company pretty much anytime for anything.

In other words, FAR117 itself could be considered an IROP.

“Irregular operations” (IROPS) means an event(s) in the system (e.g., sickness, fatigue or
31 no-show of another pilot, weather, mechanical, aircraft type substitution, substitution of
32 one aircraft model for another aircraft model on which the pilot is not qualified,
33 diversion, cancellation, overflight, misconnect, application of the FARs) that causes a
34 pilot to be removed from his scheduled rotation or portion thereof.

I believe your statement is 100% correct.



My point from earlier though is that if the segment doesn't enter open time, there is no coverage sequence, just a reroute.


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