Airline Pilot Central Forums - Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?

You don't think we've given up enough concessions already?

* 42% pay cut
* Bankruptcy Protection Letter waived
* Agreed not to fight termination of pension
* Relaxed scope to allow more outsourcing of our jobs

Those were MASSIVE, career and life altering concessions. On the ledger of give and take, we've done WAY more giving than taking. What more do you think we should be giving up??

Talk about naive... :eek:

Now where did I ever say any of that?

duder

11-14-2013 08:32 AM

Reserve clarification

I was under the assumption that short call for you guys basically meant that you had to get to the airport in a reasonable amount of time and long call for domestic was a 12 hour call out. A few pages back it was stated that short call was a 12 hour call out. Was I misreading that? If so please explain. Thanks!

tsquare

11-14-2013 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Purple Drank (Post 1519873)

It would be nice to get something of roughly equal value in return for our giveaways. History teaches us not to expect that with DALPA's "constructive engagement."
You blindly trust DALPA...and call me "naive?"

Absolutely. I am not saying that it should be an equal transaction. We should get more than we give, but to say that we should be able to negotiate a contract without ANY give is ridiculous, dangerous and stupid. We should be garnering more on our side of the ledger, but there will always be something that will be given up. EVERYTHING is negotiable. everything. Of course, we could use the DPA ideals, say no and follow the APA model. WE'll catch up to where we COULD have been in another 7 or 8 years, but if you are willing to wait, I certainly am too.

tsquare

11-14-2013 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by duder (Post 1519890)

SC is a "reasonable amount of time to report. It is intentionally gray because of the different dynamics at different bases.

gloopy

11-14-2013 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by duder (Post 1519890)

Someone must have fat fingered something there. LC is 12 hours, or 10 hours to SC conversion. SC is understood to be about 2 hours or "reasonable report" especially in multipile co-bases where its about 2 hours to one and whatever it reasonably takes to the other(s). Even the 2 hours is a guideline. Quite often crews help the company out quite generously on that, and other times with traffic, weather, etc, even 2 hours from a single airport isn't enough. Much beyond that though and you'd probably have to be prepared to explain the reasonableness of it I'd assume.

duder

11-14-2013 08:39 AM

Thanks for the clarification T and Gloopy. That was my original understanding of the rule.

scambo1

11-14-2013 09:03 AM

Hey,
Any DAL Express alumni out there, I saw where Goz was retiring next month in the event you wanted to well wish him. IMO, he was a super good guy.

This post is very out of character for me. The only way I know it's somebody's birthday is that my wife puts a card in front of me to sign.

orvil

11-14-2013 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by newKnow (Post 1519884)

NYC 7Er-A bids are out via back door.

ATL 73N/A's are out via the back door. I must have screwed something up. I'm waiting for the reasons report.

Purple Drank

11-14-2013 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1519892)

but to say that we should be able to negotiate a contract without ANY give is ridiculous, dangerous and stupid.

Does 42% count?