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Honest questions...How is our tie up with Virgin different from Alitalia's with AF/KLM in terms of the JV? Could Delta's plan be to include the EASKs flown by Virgin into Delta's percentage and then be in compliance? I hope the JV is for the DAL metal share? Didn't Alitalia's flying get lumped into AF/KLM's share?

Philly

GunshipGuy

08-23-2013 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1468681)

I'm familiar with the entire policy, & I understand your point. So if the old agreement gave the CP the same rights, wouldn't you consider 100 hours of unverified time per year a gain?

My point has been that the new sick policy is better then the old one.

I just take issue with the claim that there are parameters that have to be met before a CP can call. As to the 100 hr so unverified, yes it's a gain which is good, but per the language it's not all that great if the next section says any sick call can justify a call from the CP on a good faith basis. Now, if there aren't many calls going out then it's mostly a moot point. I agree, I don't think the good faith basis is being abused and pilots are being harassed.

johnso29

08-23-2013 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Philly (Post 1468690)

An agreement for the Virgin Atlantic JV hasn't even been agreed to yet. So I'm fairly certain that isn't possible. The JV hasn't even officially kicked off yet. AFAIK, we are simply code sharing with Virgin Atlantic right now.

LeineLodge

08-23-2013 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Philly (Post 1468690)

Straight from the negotiators last week - The AF/KLM/AZ JV is going to remain completely separate from the Delta/Virginia Atlantic JV.

One will not impact the other - ie Virgin will not be used to get the company trending back towards compliance. The AF/KLM/AZ JV will have to stand on its own.

firstmob

08-23-2013 12:41 PM

I'm beginning to believe the WB order is just that a rumor and not fact!

80ktsClamp

08-23-2013 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1468699)

ALPA and the company haven't even begun real negotiations for the JV LOA yet.

80ktsClamp

08-23-2013 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1468596)

As to the 717s, I'd say the union was smart. They knew 717s or 319s were available for a very quick delivery. What if the company picked the C-Series? An airplane that hasn't even flown yet, & is way over budget.

Anyone with two eyes and a brain could see that the 717 deal was too good to pass up. Given the company's behavior with regard to used aircraft deals, there should be zero doubt in anyone's mind they were jumping on that ASAP. Quite obvious the CRJ-200 trades were happening no matter what, too. It would have been a stupid financial decison not to do so, and the company doesn't do many of those.

LeineLodge

08-23-2013 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by firstmob (Post 1468708)

I'm beginning to believe the WB order is just that a rumor and not fact!

Dude, are you a reporter trolling for rumors? A quick scan of your posts shows about 90% one-liners like this asking about a "WB order".

What gives? :confused:

firstmob

08-23-2013 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by LeineLodge (Post 1468719)

Dude, are you a reporter trolling for rumors? A quick scan of your posts shows about 90% one-liners like this asking about a "WB order".

What gives? :confused:

Just looking at growth and a chance to move up the list.

LeineLodge

08-23-2013 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by firstmob (Post 1468727)

Just looking at growth and a chance to move up the list.

I hear ya. Just having a little fun with you. :D

The rumor mill keeps putting out 10 WBs and 30 NBs are being bid on. Hopefully all of the above happens soon, AND they're growth aircraft.

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