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There are only 17 757's with BE seats. They usually don't fly tourist markets. EC is maybe 20 degrees. Regardless our contract requires a BE seat with a curtain and modified footrest if not a lie flat.

But I'm talking about transcons and not tourist markets. I'm going west.

BE = Business Elite?

sailingfun

05-21-2014 04:45 AM

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Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1648015)

But I'm talking about transcons and not tourist markets. I'm going west.

BE = Business Elite?

How many posts have there been on this subject. It's far more expensive to do transcons as turns. You pay 3 pilots instead of two. Airlines could have flown transcons as turns for at least 30 years. Not one airline does it because it would be stupid. Follow the money!

flyallnite

05-21-2014 04:57 AM

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Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1648018)

What about HNL turns? Allegiant does them already...

sailingfun

05-21-2014 05:02 AM

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Originally Posted by flyallnite (Post 1648024)

What about HNL turns? Allegiant does them already...

Again follow the money. Allegiant pays pilots a lot less money and their HNL service is a mess. I believe Delta could have been flying Hawaii as turns since we flew the first 767 over. When it was a 3 man aircraft everything they could fly was a turn if they could schedule it. Maui turns went very senior. If they did not do it for the last 25 years I see no reason they will start.
If they did do them as turns it would be great for the LA pilots. A large copilot bid would have to be put out to handle the increased staffing and you would only have to work 7 or 8 days a month. On the occasions I could beg borrow or steal a Maui turn I loved it.

forgot to bid

05-21-2014 05:06 AM

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Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1648018)

You wouldn't have to double crew it.

Your words not mine.

tsquare

05-21-2014 05:14 AM

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Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1647999)

That cap is starting to bite the company. I think they may have underestimated their ability to surge this summer as a result. It was one of the better changes in 117 yet never discussed.

The ability to "surge" was underestimated? What do you mean under?

hockeypilot44

05-21-2014 05:15 AM

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Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1647991)

Most of those went away with 117 back in January when the hours went to 9. They only made sense as already discussed in markets with very limited service. Layovers will always be cheaper unless the crew has to be left there more then a day.
In addition the company does not generally use the 17 757's with BE seats in tourist markets. I don't overall see this as much of a issue.

Why did they go away? With one crew deadheading down and one deadheading back, each crew is flying no where near 9 hours for the day. FWIW, I appreciate your input.

tsquare

05-21-2014 05:15 AM

Nice article on the direction of DAL. The article isn't about Delta per se, but the company is the focus of the "system"

sailingfun

05-21-2014 05:18 AM

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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 1648036)

Why did they go away? With one crew deadheading down and one deadheading back, each crew is flying no where near 9 hours for the day. FWIW, I appreciate your input.

Why put two crews on when they could fly them with one crew. Most of those flights were just over 8 hours. Under 117 they did not have to be double crewed. In addition we increased the frequency in many of those markets so layovers work.

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