Since most guys are on their devices watching stuff or reading, I prefer no music and the TV on mute -- nothing worse than trying to read or debate on APC with angry people yelling at each other on Fox News in the background -- (or CNN, relax!)

But if I were Dear Leader, I would pipe this into the lounge on a continuous loop --


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6Sxv-sUYtM&feature=kp

I'm only guessing here, but keep in mind that the normal "promptly available" swings both ways, when it comes to just how long that means. The only stated rule is that a pilot must be in the "general area of his base" and that he must respond and report "promptly," i.e., drop whatever he's doing and head for the airport.

Our expectation in this is that it's perfectly OK for a pilot to need 2-3 hours to report in rush hour traffic. Similarly, the Company's expectation is that a pilot who lives 20 minutes from the airport (or who happens to be sitting at the airport) can report in significantly less time.

Having agreed to an additional two hours to begin short call, they may not then have been willing to give up another two hours to report, when they currently anticipate that some pilots (commuters or locals who live close) can respond more quickly.

I have a long layover and not much to do here and about trolled out on Alaska so let me catch up...

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-1onTFEA-X-...et%2Bafter.jpg

... okay. I am caught up.

You cannot use the 2 hr commute for SC after day 1.

So you're saying that C2012 was the Company's opener? Really? :rolleyes:

Agreed. Anybody who flies fatigued because he is afraid of his CPO needs to better understand his own responsibilities and the protections offered by ALPA. To my knowledge, no pilot has EVER had his job at Delta placed in jeopardy by a fatigue call.

There have been a few who have been asked what led to their fatigued state. I understand that one such pilot had pay withheld when he explained that he was up all night with a sick family member. (Not sure I like the way that was handled.) To my knowledge, no one has EVER had pay withheld for refusing to extend a scheduled duty period due to fatigue, much less been threatened with any sort of job security.

Great read and is fanning the flames of my desire to find an Mad Dog stuck in some farmer's barn...

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I don't understand why we are not allowed. They can't even notify us of the trip until the short call starts or it resets out rest. They can't expect us to show us within minutes of being acknowledged. Even the guy who lives 20 minutes away might be at the gym and have to go home and shower and pack. Seems petty to me taking that away.

Okay I am not caught up. I'm trying though.

I still don't get the N vs S rehash. I get from an individual pilots perspective "but in 2008 (2007, 2006, etc) I was moving up the list... and holding... and it was going to be awesome..." Well the crash in the fall of 2008 and subsequent economic malaise has destroyed a lot of wealth and a lot of lives and career trajectories everywhere. All I know is DAL+NWA in 2014 is in very good shape and I believe in RA's team and I'm glad we merged.

I'm still a little bit in the fog as to the CDO incident. The mere fact that it was pulled begs the question as to why it was there in the first place and the language (and protections) not seen. I'm still trying to figure out those two things.

This kind of change to work rules and operations seemed to me to be as big as any contract TA would be. Whether it went to memory rat or not I think the language deserved time to review.

And that's what confuses me. I think for most who signed a DPA card it was more about DALPA having a conflict of interest or being self serving and secretive and that maybe there needed to be a change. But over the last year it's really died down as the DPA shot itself in the foot on occasion and then you had elections at DALPA, followed by a recall, followed by new people. I think for those of us who filled out a DPA card there is a willingness to give DALPA the benefit of the doubt moving forward.

So what I don't get is if DALPA wanted to finally rid itself of the DPA why go this route on this kind of TA at this time? Not publishing the language is secretive, publishing it is not secretive. And why didn't they understand there would be an uproar about CDOs even if some pilots really demanded it?