Negotiators notes aren't official anyway, but this is:

http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/me...ig-loa-imp.jpg

(notice that the Split duty periods are on the table)

Any other brain busters?

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So how does this internet thing work again?

Step 1: Post innaccurate information.
Step 2: Make innuendos/allegations based on innaccurate info using crafty words like: if, may, could.
Step 3: Make grandiose statement of "facts" based on previous 2 steps.

Wash, rinse, repeat.

thanks!!!!

Thanks shiznit, this document definitely puts that rumor to bed and I'm really glad it does.

Carl

Don't forget that it was one of your crew that posted this:

Now given the fact that sailingfun is this forum's Walking Wikipedia (lots of information but most of it bullsh!t), I should have recognized the unreliability of anything sailingfun posts. My apologies to all.

Carl

Addictive and fun isnt it? :D

Actually Carl that came from 2 different reps. I see nothing in the photo to change that statement. 5:15 was as I posted not going to start for some time because of increased manning and programming changes. I was told there would be a pay no credit look back. That went away with the revision. The pay no credit look back was not a implementation. It would have been for pay only. Not manning or rotation construction ect..

Here Is what I posted well before there was any discussion of removing CDO's.
Finally got the chance to talk in detail with someone who has read and digested the TA. Cost wise it's heavily weighted in our favor. The 5:15 is very expensive and has many implications I did not consider.
To answer the reserve question there will no longer be a requirement to acknowledge a trip however a reserve will be required to notify the company by 3 hours prior to report if for some reason he is unable to fly the trip. It's a 10 hour leash effectively.
They looked at the augmented turns and see very few if any flights where it makes economic sense other then a market with unsafe layover conditions with one exception. It may be useful to the company on some military charters.
CDO's have many restrictions and you can not be rerouted into them. There is a pay no credit component to the CDO's. More at the end of the post on that.
The 14 hour rule on having to cover trips via normal coverage is significant and based on historical data will cause a significant reduction in reroutes.
Overall the TA will increase staffing requirements. That means the 5:15 will require some phase in. The company has increased hiring however initially the 5:15 will be calculated based on the old rules for credit. The difference will be paid as pay only for a few months until programming and staffing changes are done. It will then become pay and credit.
Bunks for the 330 guys, no soup for you to the ER guys.
Change to FAR's for duty times gives the company 30 additional minutes depending on situation.
First class seats for the NRT guys on longer DH's. Think he said 5 hours.
Memory rat undecided. My gut feel is it will not go to memory rat. If not I suggested at a minimum there should be a week from the time the pilots get the language to a vote so feedback can go to the reps from the pilots.
Overall I can live with everything except the pay no credit on the CDO's. It will average 1.5 hours per CDO so not huge on this TA however I can see it having major implications on future contracts or possible mediation/arbitration. If it goes to memory rat. I will vote no for this issue.

I'd like to know which two reps told you this.

If the look back was real, it would have been in the implementation date schedule of the MOU. It wasn't. You don't do something as costly to Delta as a pay no credit lookback via verbal agreement.

Carl

There you go again bringing us together! I actually have been impressed that it hasn't gone there and most have just discussed the TA. I think most of us are behind ALPA 100%.

And if I was not told that why would I have posted the above well before the news of CDO elimination came out?