Were the 2004 v 2014 pay rate charts not coherent enough for you? How about the CPI? You know that it takes 26% more $ today to equal $1.00 in 2004?

Remind me who negotiates our contracts?

Complete BS. There are no pay rates in 2014 that are "basically the same" as 2004 pay rates. You are delusional if you actually believe this to be true.

The 2014 pay rates are as much as 20% LOWER than in 2014, and that's without including the loss of purchasing power due to inflation. That's a FACT. No amount of spinning will change that FACT.

Your sky is green and the earth blue "argument" aren't very persuasive.

And there are MANY reasons why that could be so, but one thing is for sure---it is NOT because the 2014 pay rates are superior to those from 2004.

Your pay rate is roughly 20% LESS, that's right LESS than in 2004. It matters not, except to you, what your W-2 was from last year. Of course to you, that's all that matters. What matters is the apples-to-apples pay rate comparison. If you think they are "basically the same" from 2004 to 2014 then you are completely beyond help.

Translation- I got mine, pull up the ladder.

How? I would think once the trip is gone via the APD, there is nothing for the PB day to cover........the trip is already gone.

Denny

Holy cow, you too? Predications?

If you meant predictions, please find any post of mine where I've ever said Delta management was liquidating the airline.

Carl

A few years ago, it was all about "the time value of money." Sort of like, hurry up, let's do this.

Now, this contract is going to take 3 plus years?

Why the change?

I like the words drivel, tripe, blather, balderdash and the not enough used poppycock, among others. I also like aspersions, dispersions, predications and anything else Archie Bunker might have used in a sentence. I think we all ought to get tattoos.

Hilarious photos of misspelt tattoos - Telegraph

It's allowed, you call Skeds.

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
Look alfa, I understand your need to walk back your earlier comments about showing active pilots as a metric to "prove" that we're not liquidating. But nothing of this post changes the fact that we are operating ~70 aircraft less, we're selling off real estate and business centers, and we're "laying off" non-frontline employees. When you do these things and don't replace them with anything, that's slowly liquidating. How long will it continue? Who knows. But that's our reality.

Carl

Nothing has changed. Sailing is still making the same time value of money argument.

He says RA (our CEO who owns more than $100 million in DAL stock/options) won't give us 12.8% upfront (forget the fact that we're 20% behind 2004 pay rates, not including inflation). As if a 12.8% is some pie in the sky figure---it still doesn't get us where we were a decade ago, or, by the time sailing says this will play out, 15 years later!

Sailing is basically saying your choice is to either "hold out" for 3+ years or---take the 3/3/3/3 and be happy.

That is exactly what he is saying.

Well.. not exactly, but I love AAPL. ;)