Its pretty funny that management fights tooth and nail to keep mainline costs as low as possible, but then brags about the higher pay and QOL a mainline job brings to entice pilots to apply to a system regional for much lower pay and QOL.

They could fix the DCI problem once and for all and have a never ending flood of applications if they just spent a portion of the "shareholder return" that will likely do very little in proportion to help the company in any concieveable way in the long run.

If you were a negotiator you would use this tack right up until Richard told you to decide what you want to give up for the gains you seek. Then you would say: "Let me get back to you on that Mr. Anderson."

Anything else is giving management a bloody nose that will only hurt the stock price.

Carl

That's a pretty flimsy plan. I don't think any legacy is going to exceed them by anywhere near their original hyper growth cost differential. Those days are over and their growth is pretty much tapped out domestically. While everyone for some reason seems to think super low yielding Hawaiian ETOPS will make it rain money, SWA needs to go international big time if they ever want to grow as an airline. Big time international too, not just Caribbean and CA/upper SA international.

They could also get in bed with foreign airlines, but their hub structure is very weak for that and it likely won't change. They need widebodies to fly to EU, Asia and deep SA. But if they do that, their costs will further increase at a time they would be declaring nuclear war on the premium revenue of everyone else with little capacity to spare for anyone.

Yet if they stagnate…

I think they have at least one more merger in them, and it will likely be all or part of JB. They need a much, much, much bigger NYC presence before they ever attempt 787's over the pond.

Tsquare has probably made seven figures off Delta stock by now, he's been saying on here for years he's been buying, why the hell would he want that gravy train to stop?

Hi,

I was wondering if someone could answer this question about the Delta B-Plan retirement?

Will I have the ability to invest in low-cost index funds i.e. Vanguard type within the plan, or do I have to choose from a bunch of expensive mutual funds that the provider offers?

Thanks!

thru the brokeragelink - something you set up within the plan, you can trade virtually anything. It is really a strong tool.

The key takeaway IMO for this is the differential now is much lower than in 2012. Same for AA and the old OMGWTF USAir contract. Not to mention our company is doing way better now than it was doing then, with an even brighter projected future. They are literally scrambling around trying to find places to dump money. They are flushing over 2 billion into a black hole that won't help the company long term and they are still rolling in it.

We can make very good gains without having to "United Plus" anyone.

I do worry a little about not making enough gains. I worry way more about how much we may end up "paying for" whatever gains we get.

It is my opinion that the UAL pilots do not create higher W-2's than DAL pilots. There are other considerations however, and it's a lot of apples v. oranges (think DH and dry cleaning v. reserve rules and 1CA3FO on 8:00-12:00 flts). How the value totals up in the end is up to the experts, but from what I've seen of my friends at UAL and what they are taking home (and how much time at home they get), I would not want to work under their UPA instead of ours.

Overall UALPA did get dang close in total value, AMR eliminated the "LCC anchor" and has a "pay rate parity review" in 2016. All of that plus working for a very profitable DAL enterprise with little debt and strong positive cash flow bodes very well for us in 9 months (much like 2000).

I truly don't care about seeing survey results... I really only care about seeing actual results**.

**My W-2 was up 23.6% YOY 2012 versus 2013 (for working the same # of days)
My 2013 versus 2014 gross (excluding PS) is up 26.7% YTD.
(in same seat for the entire time)

I'm leaning towards calling those real results, YRMV.

Thanks for the info!

I'm afraid this thread has lost its way.

I haven't seen a picture of a cheerleader for quite some time.