I think it matters less and less what the other airlines are doing. This management team has consistently said we want to be viewed as a leading transport company not just an airline company. So let's use that when we demand our restoration. Management cannot say to investors we are a leading transport company and tell us in negotiation we are an average airline.
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Of course the key to be a leading transport company is rigorous control of cost. They won't be saying we are getting average pay in 2015. The will claim we are at the top of the industry and the numbers will back them up.
The next contract is going to take 3 plus years at a minimum.

That is a very fair point, and if I were a negotiator that is exactly the tack I would take.

Hopefully in the interim, someone else will do a little heavy lifting to help us out.

I think it matters less and less what the other airlines are doing. This management team has consistently said we want to be viewed as a leading transport company not just an airline company. So let's use that when we demand our restoration. Management cannot say to investors we are a leading transport company and tell us in negotiation we are an average airline.
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I agree we have no peer in the industry, however this was posted on the UAL/CAL part of this website

1) Why are our pay rates less than DAL?
· Overall total contract value in 2013 matches DAL, then surpasses DAL in 2014
· We could have matched DAL pay rates in 2013 but we put the money in other areas of the contract
o 2013 our B/C fund defined contribution is 2% greater than DAL
o 2013 profit sharing percentage is greater than DAL
o Vacation value is greater than DAL
o Health care plans are better than DAL
o M5D rig will increase our W-2 compared to DAL despite lower pay rates

So we can move up in these areas if they are true.

Not a single word of any of my posts could lead anyone with any comprehension skills to conclude this. Yet here you are.

Carl

wow.......

Perhaps, the only company in talks at the moment is SW. They are doing nothing and friends there say they have no plans to push. They would prefer we pass them up so they can regain their historical cost advantage and start growing again.

How would you know what's best for this pilot group when you have continually made posts like this:

Do you not read what you've written over the five years? When it comes to non-safety related issues, I've not read anything from you other than defending your own self interest based on your personal circumstance.

Carl

Tsquare embodies the complacent, risk-averse, don't-rock-the-boat mentality Delta seeks. The shrink who approved him gets a bonus every year on taquare's date of hire anniversary.

Tsquare got his. Time to pull up the ladder. How dare the rest of us attempt to improve our lots?

Two different things here. A strike vote doesn't mean an actual strike. If we ever have a strike vote, you will 100% vote no. Absolutely guaranteed and is actually what I've stated publicly. If we ever actually struck, my hope is that you would walk with your brothers. But your long history of totally self-interested posts does give me pause about you.

This is just ranting tsquare. Please find a post that you believe backs up these assertions.

Right now, SWA, FDX, UPS and most of our foreign JV "partners." Later this year, UAL. Next year, APA.

It will never be "time" for you tsquare. Doing anything other than what management/DALPA tells you to do is just too risky and inappropriate in your mind. It's not all about timing tsquare, it's about leadership versus followership. You're a follower.

Carl