It's silly. I don't think Tsquare is one but many here telling the rest of us things are hopeless and not to expect much are likely on FPL or paid pilot antagonists on behalf of management. There is just no other logical reason why a pilot would come on here and try to lower expectations other than:

1. Top union leadership doesn't want to be held accountable for anything but meager goals and therefore send their minions to beat down any hope of anything more than taking cost neutral on the first offer (TVM and all that).

2. Management pays folks to play like they are pilots to keep expectations low. You have to admit with "social media" and all that it would be a logical strategy, among many, to throw a few bucks to have phonies post here in hopes of keeping pilot expectations low, dispute record profits and a historically healthy Delta.

3. Management kiss ups known by management come on here and pledge their allegiance in hopes of a few bones thrown their direction.

I'm sure we will have some say they are just "realists" putting the info out there. If that's their play it's insanely stupid! They say "allowing the survey results to be made public really hurts our poker game when going to management", yet they come on here with statements about our feeble ability to achieve anything...fortifying managements resolve to push cost neutral wrapped in a shiny package in 9 months. Dumb, dumb dumb.

They accuse others who want to push and look for leverage to raise the bar as "complainers". They fail to look in the mirror and take accountability for their own lack of strategy and asinine remarks.

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^^^^^^^^^The usual suspects telling us the sky is falling and to not expect much.

You may not "intend" to, but you absolutely will if that's what your leadership tells you to do. In fact, you'll lead the charge on this forum with a FUD campaign.

You will take whatever you're told to take. The above is nothing but chest thumping in the hopes of attaining some street cred when you ultimately roll over.

And that's why you and tsquare and our "union" will take whatever you're told to take. We do not do long drawn out fights here. We're in a partnership with management. Partnership defined as agreeing with exactly what management says you'll take. That's where we are.

Actually, I don't think a single poster here has ever said that except you and tsquare accusing people of saying it.

Carl

You and sailingfud will lead the charge if that's what your leadership tells you to do. 100% guaranteed.

Carl

I agree with you that Tsquare is not "one" but he's a dead ringer for door number "three."

I hate it when my cover gets blown. :p

Yeah, apparently it's a terrible disease to have optimism.....

Weekends lose a lot of value in the summer period. When the kids are out of school most folks are more interested in certain blocks of time off vice just weekends off and so weekends lose some of their luster.

Scoop

I am behind my union but I must admit I get angered every time they try and say there is no way management will allow our pilot costs to exceed our competitors.

A) how the hell do you know? I mean if that is coming from their mouth we have volumes of articles to rebuttal that position.

Richard has said countless times how we our ahead of our competitors. The union should immediately say this means we should also be receiving pay that out performs our competitors as we have been making more money in these year's then our foes. I could find a hundred articles where Richard or Ed say we're the best, whether it's operational, irop recovery, contract flexibility, etc. The union needs to drop the file on the negotiating table and say "these are your words, now compensate us accordingly." Otherwise these articles are meaningless and the rest of the aviation employees and the world need to know that you disingenuous and from hear on, your words are just that, meaningless lip service!

The company has provided us with all the Ammo needed to have the richest contract in aviation.

Our pilot costs already exceed UAL and AA, but Wall Street and a lot of other (idiot) Media outlets focus only on hourly pay rates.

What IF...

instead of trying to put our pay rates 25% above 'industry average' (the NMB won't allow it) we negotiate for MUCH IMPROVED retirement funding (maximum allowed input, every year, for everyone), and cheaper health care, (and much lower deductibles), 5:15 per calendar day, be it a 30hr. layover, or training or vacation, $3.00/hr. per diem, beginning with scheduled DH and ending with scheduled DH days, not reduced by deviating from DH, and a lot of other little odds and ends that Wall Street won't even notice.

There are a lot of ways to earn more money, without having to put a "25% pay raise" in the headlines, and if the company would max out our 401K every year, it would be tax free, like per diem and company paid medical premiums/deductibles.

Remember, Uncle Sam is going to take 28-35% of your pay raise, they can't touch your vacation or 401K...yet.

Pressing like button...Now!

Anyone know?

If a guy bid something on the last AE, then had second thoughts, can he bid back on this AE since the training for either isn't until late fall / early winter and the Company's just going to leave whatever's left for a new hire anyway?