They don't care if they are out of compliance.
They know all they have to do is "engage the association".
Problem solved.

Look at history. Our scope clause is written in pencil.

So, do you favor concessions to help management avoid the training from displacements?

Do you favor an early out that is not done by seniority?

Do you favor more concessions and getting nothing in return?

Not taking your bait Jerry. Try somewhere else. You don't get it.

Just out of curiosity, what should be done if not to talk? What leverage do we have that will result in ANYTHING other than a scope sale?

I just read the question and answer from the company and the other letter. No where does it state what he said. In fact it states they plan a 3% increase in transatlantic flying this winter. That is a reduction from the original winter flight scheduled growth but the plan is still to increase flying. I have no idea where his statements in red came from unless there is a third letter buried in Delta net.

On DL Net you should read the 747 memo, as well as the Q+A's (link at bottom of story) about the sudden parking of 4 whales, and who's going to fly what/where.

Seems they are going to pull some 777's/A330's (Delta's jets) off the Atlantic routes and use them to cover the parked 747 flying in the Pacific. Guess who's going to pick up the Atlantic flying? Our JV partners. That's what they said...

So, how's that JV Compliance grievance coming?[/QUOTE]

The two documents you reference do not say that or anything close.

Aren't you skipping some steps, like negotiations?

Are you assuming negotiations wouldn't be possible and successful? A weak penalty/punishment for violating terms and conditions the company wants is like no penalty at all. What's in it for the pilots? Just wondering...

DFW :cool:

Yep. I understand the need to run our network (ie buy and park planes) but this is above and beyond. If we take money as compensation for the company obviously violating the contract we are selling top end scope? I think so. Maybe ask for the adjustment to be an increase in wide body positions based on a percentage of the imbalance of the jv? Whether those guys fly or not. If they sit on their asses. And that percentage remains as long as there is an imbalance?

And Ed is quoted in the earnings call that they run the whole show, make all of the decisions. I know slam dunk grievances and unicorns live in the same universe, but this one has a horn and pink spots. The grievance should be filed the second it can be.

I don't know why everyone is so puzzled about how to solve this. There is no need for a scope sale. All you have to do is start pulling the Delta code off Air France and KLM flights. Stop selling tickets in violation of our contract production balance.

I dunno either. There are so many red herrings and straw men flying around about all this it looks like Sharknado meets the Wizard of Oz. And no solutions offered anywhere other than the usual pointless posturing and dALPA bashing.

But.... the way you describe it is very DC-ish. It is an increase, I do not care whether or not it is not as much of an increase as originally planned. Kind of like that whole "I'm gonna take up smoking and then quit. Aren't you proud of me?" kind of discussion. An increase is an increase. Period, and we should not be happy at all about it.