How you gonna do that? You gotta get an injunction I would imagine. Good luck finding a judge that will grant that before I retire in 11 years....

The two documents you reference do not say that or anything close.[/QUOTE]

It says the JV growth across the Atlantic will be 3%, less than originally planned. If they intended us to fly that they would have said that. Now the JV partners might not get all 3%, but what if they get 1.5%?

You mean like engaging the company? Hmmmm. I never thought of that.:eek:

Or do 'negotiations" simply mean laying down an ultimatum? (Not aimed at you DFW)

We all knew the 747's were going to be retired (why the wasted capital on the lie flats, though?). I am glad the company is being proactive in getting rid of non-profit making equipment and thinning non profitable routes (I just hope what they say is true and their real reason is not the outsourcing).

But I am surprised at the quick decision to immediately pull down Atlantic flying and get rid of the 400's. I do not believe for one second this management team made this decision in one day. It has been in the works. In business normally a knee jerk/one day BIG decision will get you slaughtered. RA does not work that way unless he sees a way to kill 10 birds with this one stone. Contract Leverage? J/V compliance? or Show DALPA he is the Alpha Dog? Who knows. From what I see or am led to believe, DALPA was not part of this constructive process.

I think it is long overdue, DALPA needs to stop playing buddy buddy or business partner with the company. The company could care less about route compliance.

TEN

This is not a lawsuit. There are no judges. This would be a grievance. The system board of adjustment does it or a neutral arbitrator.

And do what?

I am not advocating one way or the other here, but I keep seeing this from the crowd. OK... tell me how you would get what it is that we need with a (for certain) adversarial relationship, because your statement says to me that you are absolutely in the anti-engagement camp. Just show me the way to get me more money and more time off, get the violations solved in a timely manner, (because waiting for several years to have them resolved is a big fat fail in my book). and I will get right on that train with ya.

The plan according to the two quoted letters is to increase not pull down the Atlantic flying.

I think I have been consistent in my statements regarding the compliance. For the record I will state it again. When we are at the time limit, and there is violation, a grievance should be filed.

But.... there is nothing in the contract that I am aware of that defines remedy. So how do you get the codes pulled?

The arbitrator has broad discretion to design any remedy he feels is equitable. All we have to do is ask that the codes be pulled. He can accept that remedy or he can come up with another one. It could be all-cash or anything in between. It would be up to him.

The 747 guys (A,s for sure maybe not B,s) have a full frozen retirement. They will not take a 100% paycut by any stretch of the imagination. I don't understand why any of them would continue to work as they near 65. I know I'd take an early out if I was in their shoes. However I'm not them and it is totally up to them.