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vprMatrix 10-04-2014 07:59 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1739888)
The company never wanted them. When the original 5:15 proposal came out the company spent several weeks costing it out. It took time because they basically had to rebuild every trip over the prior year to produce a bid package reflecting 5:15 and then compare that year to the credit generated under the old rules. DALPA then had to verify the company was using a min cost solution. The results were 5:15 was a very high cost item. The negotiating committee was getting lots of input that a significant number of pilots wanted CDO's. We offered them up to mitigate a small portion of the 5:15 cost. The rest of what happened is well known.

Correct me if I'm wrong but, there is currently no protection in the contract for SDPs and starring next month the company could start operating them if they were willing to pay 5:15 per day for them.

With the 117 side letter we agreed to be scheduled to FAR limited less 30 mins. I don't think we specifically prohibited SDPs.

For those that really don't want SDPs it might be prudent to tell your reps you want language prohibiting SDPs and reinstating our more restrictive night time duty limits.

Scoop 10-04-2014 08:12 AM

And now for Something Completely Different
 
Trainer Facility: I recently heard that DAL currently has a 14 cent/gallon advantage over our rivals on jet fuel. This surprised me because I always heard that Trainer helps our rivals as much as us.

Anyway, with a potential savings of 1B/year due to lower debt servicing costs and a 14 cent/gallon fuel cost advantage I don't see any reason why we (DALPA) should not go for the long ball on C-2015.

Yes, we all know the value of consistent singles and doubles but it is time to go Deep!

Scoop :)

Oh yeah, I almost forgot - Just say no to the CDO!

MoonShot 10-04-2014 08:14 AM

Anyone know if they can make you fly a domestic rotation if you are complete with domestic OE on the 7ER but still need a TOE?

When I went through a few years back you had to have both but in the back of my mind I'm thinking I saw something that changed that.

Asking because I'm trying to bid my NOV schedule and have my domestic OE late OCT and don't want to bid something I "assume" will be dropped then isn't.

Wingnutdal 10-04-2014 08:21 AM


Originally Posted by Scoop (Post 1739963)
Trainer Facility: I recently heard that DAL currently has a 14 cent/gallon advantage over our rivals on jet fuel. This surprised me because I always heard that Trainer helps our rivals as much as us.

Anyway, with a potential savings of 1B/year due to lower debt servicing costs and a 14 cent/gallon fuel cost advantage I don't see any reason why we (DALPA) should not go for the long ball on C-2015.

Yes, we all know the value of consistent singles and doubles but it is time to go Deep!

Scoop :)

Oh yeah, I almost forgot - Just say no to the CDO!

Yep, time to swing for the fences. I don't know if we will ever see such a confluence of positive factors in terms of us negotiating again. Minus ebola!

Doug Masters 10-04-2014 08:47 AM


Originally Posted by LeineLodge (Post 1739951)
. On the way to Auburn right now to watch the Tigers win

WDE


Yessir. Geaux Tigers!!!!!!:D

sailingfun 10-04-2014 08:58 AM


Originally Posted by Scoop (Post 1739963)
Trainer Facility: I recently heard that DAL currently has a 14 cent/gallon advantage over our rivals on jet fuel. This surprised me because I always heard that Trainer helps our rivals as much as us.

Anyway, with a potential savings of 1B/year due to lower debt servicing costs and a 14 cent/gallon fuel cost advantage I don't see any reason why we (DALPA) should not go for the long ball on C-2015.

Yes, we all know the value of consistent singles and doubles but it is time to go Deep!

Scoop :)

Oh yeah, I almost forgot - Just say no to the CDO!

There have been several recent articles on trainer. Not only are we not getting a cost advantage over our competitors but the refinery has posted consistent loses. We are into the whole thing now for close to a billion dollars with no return.

Doug Masters 10-04-2014 09:14 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1740005)
There have been several recent articles on trainer. Not only are we not getting a cost advantage over our competitors but the refinery has posted consistent loses. We are into the whole thing now for close to a billion dollars with no return.

Sounds like a management problem. Why should that affect my expectations for C2015?

DAL 88 Driver 10-04-2014 09:16 AM


Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1739906)
This sounds like a five year old that is going to hold his breath. Sorry, but http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV...,67,98_AL_.jpg

sailing is right.... I don't want the damned things either, but getting this spun up is ridiculous.

Abstaining from signing a release when I'm not fit to fly does not require me to hold my breath. It seems pretty clear that the threat of getting CDO's is real... so I don't see getting "spun up" as being "ridiculous."

On the other hand, while your head is buried in the sand you might want to consider holding your breath... ;)

https://communities.bmc.com/servlet/...29267/sand.jpg

Scoop 10-04-2014 09:56 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1740005)
There have been several recent articles on trainer. Not only are we not getting a cost advantage over our competitors but the refinery has posted consistent loses. We are into the whole thing now for close to a billion dollars with no return.



Like I said, I was surprised by this also, but that is exactly what was put out at a Roadshow - I heard it first hand. PM sent.

sailingfun 10-04-2014 10:09 AM


Originally Posted by Scoop (Post 1740044)
Like I said, I was surprised by this also, but that is exactly what was put out at a Roadshow - I heard it first hand.

They have been promising great things from trainer since it was purchased. Virtually every quarter after reporting the loses they state next quarter will be better. They reported a 43 million dollar loss in the second quarter. We have between a 14 c per gallon to 6 cents per gallon advantage on fuel costs in the last reports depending on which airline. What I read stated it was due to hedges not trainer. Regardless trainer has a long way to go to eat up the startup costs.

Edit, the 43 million loss was first quarter, they reported a profit so 13 million second quarter. Here is Anderson's recent statement on fuel cost at Delta. Note the term market in his quote.

"The refinery has made an impact on market fuel prices and we have a solid hedge book in place that should reduce our fuel expense by more than $350mn for the year, including $100mn in the September quarter," chief executive Richard Anderson said during a conference call with analysts.


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