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They don't care if they are out of compliance.
They know all they have to do is "engage the association".
Problem solved.

Look at history. Our scope clause is written in pencil.

This right here.

Carl

gloopy

08-01-2014 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by FrankCobretti (Post 1696614)

"Race card" is a phrase white people toss around when we don't want to talk about race.

Or a phrase tossed around when race is forced in everyone's face for anything and everything 24/7 until it becomes a political and moral imperitive for very specific partisan politics. But you knew that.

gloopy

08-01-2014 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by FrankCobretti (Post 1696635)

This is what happens when I get passionate. That comment was out of line. I shouldn't have taken the bait.

Its easy bait to take though, on all sides of every issue. Which is why so many hooks are baited with it in the first place.

Carl Spackler

08-01-2014 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1696950)

I just read the question and answer from the company and the other letter. No where does it state what he said. In fact it states they plan a 3% increase in transatlantic flying this winter. That is a reduction from the original winter flight scheduled growth but the plan is still to increase flying. I have no idea where his statements in red came from unless there is a third letter buried in Delta net.

Yes it does state what Jerry said sailingfun, and the 3% increase is for the Atlantic Joint Venture...not Delta Air Lines. I know that you, Richard and special Ed think it's all one entity, but it's not.

Carl

gloopy

08-01-2014 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Free Bird (Post 1696752)

So is it fair to say that the parking of the whales will essentially wipe out this years retirements?

Maybe not for this year, but depending on what they do WRT displacements then much of next year's. Then there is the post Colgan reform shredding redefining of block time to the ancient technical definition of taxiing under its own power which will shave 5-10 minutes off every flight in the system. That should be good for a few hundred jobs. Then there's always a potential reflexing up of the AS code share abuse. That can happen anytime AS management decides to play ball. The narrow body gains on the west coast do not belong to us and can go away in an instant. There's also a few "productivity improvements" that will likely sneak their way into C2015 here or there. Plus "slower Atlantic growth than planned".

They just sent a huge signal to th rest of the industry. You grow beyond what can support record breaking yields and we will shrink to pull everyone up to record breaking yields. IOW, feel free to capacity dump and we will accommodate you by preserving everyone's margins and letting you take as much revenue and marketshare as you want.

casual observer

08-01-2014 09:54 AM

I'm not that clued in, but let me know if I'm getting this situation:

Losing 4 744's is going to cost us a lot of the highest paying jobs.

If the company has plans to replace them with something similar (ie. 777's), that would mitigate the jobs loss - but we are not getting any indications of that (at least in the short run).

To the contrary, the message from the company seems to be they will work with DALPA to address the circumstance. That sounds like a solution that does not involve more heavy airplanes (at least in the short run).

The most troubling is Delta's ability to continue their schedule with a greater reliance on our JV partners for the Atlantic flying. More work for their pilots, less for ours.

We have either giving the company the ability to do that (which we should un-give in the next contract). Or the company is in violation of the current contract and should be induced to comply.

Is that it or is there more to it?

Carl Spackler

08-01-2014 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 1696963)

I don't know why everyone is so puzzled about how to solve this. There is no need for a scope sale. All you have to do is start pulling the Delta code off Air France and KLM flights. Stop selling tickets in violation of our contract production balance.

This is exactly right yet again. Furthermore, if we were represented by a union, now would be the perfect time to respond with this as exactly our proposed remedy on April 1, 2015.

In fact, given this latest widening of the imbalance during the cure period, I would strongly consider filing for a court injunction to stop the further widening of the imbalance during the cure period. It really represents irreparable harm between now and April 1, 2015...exactly what injunctive relief is there for. But since Delta is a non-union airline...

Carl

Carl Spackler

08-01-2014 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1696965)

I dunno either. There are so many red herrings and straw men flying around about all this it looks like Sharknado meets the Wizard of Oz. And no solutions offered anywhere other than the usual pointless posturing and dALPA bashing.

But.... the way you describe it is very DC-ish. It is an increase, I do not care whether or not it is not as much of an increase as originally planned. Kind of like that whole "I'm gonna take up smoking and then quit. Aren't you proud of me?" kind of discussion. An increase is an increase. Period, and we should not be happy at all about it.

Just don't complain or even respond though. Right tsquare?:rolleyes:

Carl

Carl Spackler

08-01-2014 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1696967)

How you gonna do that? You gotta get an injunction I would imagine. Good luck finding a judge that will grant that before I retire in 11 years....

You bet. Surrender early. Avoid the rush.

Carl

Carl Spackler

08-01-2014 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1696969)

You mean like engaging the company? Hmmmm. I never thought of that.:eek:

Or do 'negotiations" simply mean laying down an ultimatum? (Not aimed at you DFW)

Almost right. In your case t, "negotiations" simply mean laying down.

Carl

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