Supposedly, we are flying to CDG from SLC and DTW and other places where we are flying that they are NOT because they are flying big stuff out of JFK. I don't know the intricacies of the JV deal, but I am going with the premise that we are (will be) our of compliance. So what do we do about it? I think the opportunity here is for dALPA to say that DAL cannot put any code on these newly announced flights until compliance is assured, or better yet, renegotiated.

Prove it.....

I know, I was joking.

Ok. Thanks for clarifying.

Not going to happen anytime soon without major schedule changes. Like the other guy said "we" can barely run it with a 175. Good luck trying to unload 110 PAX on a 30 min turn and load the next 110 in that window. Only way its possible is to reduce frequency to absorb delays which isn't going to happen. Delta sends those flights out hours late if they have to. All these late arrivals and departures have to do with gate availaiblity and ATC flow control. 717s aren't going to solve this problem as much as I'd love to see this flying return to mainline where it belongs.

I heard gate agents and rampers say this exact thing over a year ago in LGA. SWA is lobbying hard in NYC to take full control of the MAT. Only a matter of time before they do. :mad:

I am sure. I would guess that when USA and AAL are fully integrated that we would move into the rest of the C terminal there which would give us better consolidated operations. That leaves the MAT. The only consolation would be that Mr A will make them pay a hefty price to get those gates... a la 717s... :D:cool: I guess in a way it won't matter too much because they will still be stuck in the same traffic jams as everybody else. I just hate to see them get any kind of implied separation from everybody else.

Council 44 has a nice update on the status of the JV. The company will not be in compliance by the end of the cure period. They are however currently in compliance looking forward. Here is the summary.

The Company is currently at 47 percent (46.8 percent on an internal audit) of the EASKs and needs to be at 48.5 percent on a three-year rolling average to achieve compliance. The latest OAG data pull shows that Delta will be at 47 percent at the end of the cure period. For perspective, to return to compliance Delta would have to fly:

15.1 daily DTW-AMS 330-300 flights.
or
20.5 daily JFK-LHR 767-400 flights.

The numbers get larger because it’s a three-year average and there are fewer months left to raise the average.

It needs to be noted that our flying has not decreased, (on an EASK basis) and actually has increased about 3 percent year-over-year. However, the pull-down from the economic downturn (2011-2012) has caused the company to be out of compliance on a three-year average basis. If the measurement period were a one-year period they would be in compliance.

The bottom line is that the company will likely not be in compliance and will violate the PWA next year. The MEC has not yet decided upon the actions we will take regarding this PWA violation.

I thought we negotiated for the MAT to go to USAir when we got part of their terminal in the slot swap dealio several years ago?

Our turn times on the 717 are 35 minutes.

I don't think the goal is to have a full plane on the shuttle so anything less than full and 30 min is doable. Especially if we are not dealing with the aisle chairs and WCs that are on a typical flight but even then we turn full loads both ways in 35 minutes.

We recorded it one day for fun. 10 minutes to unload 110, 10 to clean and cater it, 10 to load 110 back on and 5 to spare.

It's a small jet.

Agreed.

I'd gladly do the shuttle flying, seems fun. It's about as long as I can stand to sit in a jet these days. I do a lot of EWR and HOU and it hurts my butt. I love 30-40 minute flights. Nirvana would be 30-40 minute flights to a place that has D-ATIS and PDCs and no wheels up times.

I bet anything out west or east will be handled by DTW and ATL until they finally make a decision. We've got a lot of LGA-Florida flying on the 717 in September. That's new.