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gloopy 08-15-2014 11:40 AM


Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 1704895)
Paint the Cseries in the Skyteam livery....

That sounds like you are predicting 100-160 seat jets to DCI, yet you also claim current 76'ers will go to mainline. What do you see happening here exactly?

sinca3 08-15-2014 11:56 AM


Originally Posted by Denny Crane (Post 1706056)
Look at section 23 S.5.e.2.b. I think that can be interpreted as a schedule check by 1500 on you last nonfly day if it's not a vacation day.

Tell me what you think.

Denny

I interrupt that as when a pilot will be notified that something has been placed on your schedule. I don't see how anyone would infer it as a required schedule check.

sinca3 08-15-2014 11:59 AM


Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 1706088)
Okay. But read 23.S.5.e.2.b

Electronic placement on your schedule counts as notification.

Ok, but am I required to check Icrew on my last OFF day. Off means free of anything company related right? If I am required to check my schedule then am I really off? I know we're kind of splitting hairs here, but such is life in our litigious society!

hookshot123 08-15-2014 12:00 PM

Check, Denny and Sinca,

The whole schedule check section is rather vague and in my opinion was written that way on purpose. It attempts to comply with FAR 117 while still giving scheduling some flexibility in assigning trips off X days.

Here is the reason they can't "require" a schedule check coming off an X day:

Say scheduling puts 1000 a.m. short call on your schedule after an X day and does it before 1500 on your last X day. FAR 117 says you are in no way required to check your schedule on an X day. If you were required to check your schedule after midnight on your first on call day that requirement would break the 10 hours required rest before a short call and make you illegal for it.

Therefore to make it legal to have a 10am short call following an X day the contract can't "require" you to check your schedule because to do so would either violate your day off or your 10 hours rest. That is the reason you are "expected" to check your schedule as per Scheduling Alert 14-05, but can't be "required"

At least that is how it looks to me,
Capt. Hook

Mesabah 08-15-2014 12:05 PM


Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 1706103)
That sounds like you are predicting 100-160 seat jets to DCI, yet you also claim current 76'ers will go to mainline. What do you see happening here exactly?

When you sell scope, you're selling brand identity. Planes painted in Delta colors are going back to the mainline. JV scope, however, using the Skyteam brand identity, seems to be the future.

If I were the Delta CEO, here's what I would want for C2015:
1.)Restore C2K pay rates, reduced PS
2.)Reduce 50 seat permitted jets to 0
3.)Reduce 76 seat permitted jets to current number, so -30
4.)Eliminate restrictions on aircraft DCI can operate for other airlines + JV
5.)Eliminate Alaska code share
6.)Adjust block hourly limited JV with Skyteam partners

ALPA would have no problem selling this, even though it's ridiculously concessionary.

Denny Crane 08-15-2014 12:12 PM


Originally Posted by sinca3 (Post 1706113)
I interrupt that as when a pilot will be notified that something has been placed on your schedule. I don't see how anyone would infer it as a required schedule check.

Okay, maybe I went a little overboard but the point is that a trip or short call can be placed on your line prior to 9 hours from the end of your last non fly day (except for vacation) and that is considered notification per the section I quoted. How else are you going to know if you did or didn't get assigned something unless you do a schedule check at some point in time? It may not be codified as a required schedule check but the end result is the same, IMO.

Denny

Denny Crane 08-15-2014 12:16 PM


Originally Posted by sinca3 (Post 1706117)
Ok, but am I required to check Icrew on my last OFF day. Off means free of anything company related right? If I am required to check my schedule then am I really off? I know we're kind of splitting hairs here, but such is life in our litigious society!

I think its all related to 117. I don't think the company can require it but if it walks like a duck and talks like a duck, it's a duck.

Denny

sinca3 08-15-2014 12:18 PM


Originally Posted by Denny Crane (Post 1706125)
Okay, maybe I went a little overboard but the point is that a trip or short call can be placed on your line prior to 9 hours from the end of your last non fly day (except for vacation) and that is considered notification per the section I quoted. How else are you going to know if you did or didn't get assigned something unless you do a schedule check at some point in time? It may not be codified as a required schedule check but the end result is the same, IMO.

Denny

Am I required to have internet access and a phone line at home?

gloopy 08-15-2014 12:20 PM


Originally Posted by sinca3 (Post 1706117)
Ok, but am I required to check Icrew on my last OFF day. Off means free of anything company related right? If I am required to check my schedule then am I really off? I know we're kind of splitting hairs here, but such is life in our litigious society!

No, you are not. The 3PM thing is there so you can check it after that time if you want to. There is a benefit to you and only to you in doing so: you will know if you start at 10am or noon. If you don't check on your day off, then you the assumption is you check at midnight, which is your first "on" day. 10 hours of rest from that point is 10am. This was the soonest it could have been and still be FAR legal, which is why I didn't like treating it as a huge improvement when it was going to be like that anyway. Noon across the board would have been way better, and even the infamous company "memo" agreed. We sold back 2 hours down to FAR mins for other things. So be it.

Its highly recommended that you check as close to (after) 3pm as you can. That way you can screen shot what you have in case they try and sneak something on there earlier than noon after 3pm. While it may still be possible to track, it'll be way easier if you checked then. But you don't have to. Midnight plus 10 = 10am. No obligation on your day off remains.

Denny Crane 08-15-2014 12:22 PM


Originally Posted by hookshot123 (Post 1706118)
Check, Denny and Sinca,

The whole schedule check section is rather vague and in my opinion was written that way on purpose. It attempts to comply with FAR 117 while still giving scheduling some flexibility in assigning trips off X days.

Here is the reason they can't "require" a schedule check coming off an X day:

Say scheduling puts 1000 a.m. short call on your schedule after an X day and does it before 1500 on your last X day. FAR 117 says you are in no way required to check your schedule on an X day. If you were required to check your schedule after midnight on your first on call day that requirement would break the 10 hours required rest before a short call and make you illegal for it.

Therefore to make it legal to have a 10am short call following an X day the contract can't "require" you to check your schedule because to do so would either violate your day off or your 10 hours rest. That is the reason you are "expected" to check your schedule as per Scheduling Alert 14-05, but can't be "required"

At least that is how it looks to me,
Capt. Hook

I agree with you. There is no "requirement" to do the check (kind of like there is no "requirement" to acknowledge a trip assignment) but how else will you know unless you do a schedule check? Refer to my duck comment in my previous post.

Denny


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