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TheManager 06-13-2014 12:45 PM


Originally Posted by Gearjerk (Post 1664093)
IIRC, United has 17% DC in their contract. To effectively pattern bargain, we need 18%+.

Was unaware. Excellent! Pattern up DALPA.

What is so nice about this, we don't have to give anything up to get it which is of course what DALPA says when there is no one to pattern off. :D

TheManager 06-13-2014 12:48 PM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1664033)
Never said a word about spending a dime on it. If we can get it free worth asking for. Might get 50 guys to go early.

Sure. I'll bet they'll be right on that terrific idea.

There is a reason they did not include pilots in that plan they released yesterday.

Pretty simple to understand why.

Also pretty simple to understand that they won't be entertaining the idea going forward anytime soon, unless there is another black swan event in the near future.

Also, wouldn't support any use of any negotiating credits or capital to early retire pilots. The exodus has started and many never will make it to 65. Especially as many have been flying so much more since BK. The wear and tear is noticeable.

If those that want to go early desire to, they will. We don't need any incentives push them.

index 06-13-2014 12:50 PM


Originally Posted by newKnow (Post 1664096)
He probably shouldn't respond, Index. Depending on what he is alleging, even though whoever RA is, is a public figure, sailing could be sued for libel/defamation.

newk- isn't truth a defense to libel and defamation? Also, if "RA" is a "public figure", is that also not an additional defense? Even if those were to fail, what are the damages?

Suggesting that sailing shouldn't respond because he might get sued is nonsense to me.


Originally Posted by newKnow (Post 1664096)
He should have kept it to himself to begin with.

If he wasn't going to be responsive for requests to elaborate, then I agree completely.

newKnow 06-13-2014 01:17 PM


Originally Posted by index (Post 1664109)
newk- isn't truth a defense to libel and defamation? Also, if "RA" is a "public figure", is that also not an additional defense? Even if those were to fail, what are the damages?

Suggesting that sailing shouldn't respond because he might get sued is nonsense to me.


If he wasn't going to be responsive for requests to elaborate, then I agree completely.

Truth is an absolute defense. Public figures have a higher standard, but if published with malice, a person can still be sued for defamation.

Damages depends on what the harm is to his reputation, o it depends on what sailing is alleging happened.

f he posts anything that is wrong, and RA can prove it, sailing would lose.

Even if he doesn't, RA could still take him to court and cost him a lot of money in legal fees, while incurring none on his own. (Say he's a member of a board that will pay his legal fees.)

Either way, IMO ( :) ) it's not worth it.


He shouldn't have brought it up.

Mesabah 06-13-2014 01:29 PM

Apps are flooding into 9E at a couple hundred a week now that the EtD is in place. Looks like management has solved the regional feed crisis.

sailingfun 06-13-2014 01:37 PM


Originally Posted by index (Post 1664109)
newk- isn't truth a defense to libel and defamation? Also, if "RA" is a "public figure", is that also not an additional defense? Even if those were to fail, what are the damages?

Suggesting that sailing shouldn't respond because he might get sued is nonsense to me.


If he wasn't going to be responsive for requests to elaborate, then I agree completely.

You have my number. Putting private conversations on public forums is not the right thing to do. Posting private emails on forums is also the wrong thing to do.

Purple Drank 06-13-2014 01:40 PM


Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1663871)
rotflmao. Like that will be an incentive for anybody to leave early...... Funny funny stuff.

I'll tell you this much. I am not willing to spend on red cent for any kind of early out program. We have seen enough of that crap to know that they don't work.

yes!!

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Purple Drank 06-13-2014 01:43 PM

I have deadheaded on 90s twice in the last week, two different tails. Both times, the APU was out. One was continuing to PHX. :eek: :eek: I guess that's one way to save gas on APU usage.

Anyone know how many 90 APUs are out at any given time, and why the company permits this gross malfeasance in the summer?

index 06-13-2014 01:58 PM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1664142)
You have my number.

Apparently I do.


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1664142)
Putting private conversations on public forums is not the right thing to do.

YOU were the one that made a very public allegation about a "private conversation" on a very public forum. Are you scolding yourself?


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1664142)
Posting private emails on forums is also the wrong thing to do.

Okay, fine. But I have absolutely no idea what you are referring to. I've not mentioned anything about e-mails???

Purple Drank 06-13-2014 02:25 PM

I'm with Index on this. sailingfun tried to generate some mileage based on an unsubstantiated claim that he was personally threatened by a CEO. When called on it, he punted. He even resorted to an "I won't post private emails here" straw man.

Further, george tg just slapped him silly on his "efficiency" babble.

Sailingfun, here's a little advice: stick to posting facts..."just the FACTS ma'am", from your sources.. Not your interpretation or conjecture. Don't try to do management's and DALPA's jobs of lowering our expectations. We don't need any more of that. You might even consider bolstering our efforts to be better compensated, instead of ****ing on them.

If you stick to that formula, you will regain a lot of goodwill here.


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