We covered this four days ago.

16.5% pay raise on 1/16.

3.5% each year after if needed.

Why if needed? They have negotiated a composite of Delta and UAL pay. They will be paid the middle of the three carriers.

So, you said yourself sailing that you thought it could be a three year negotiation. If so, they automatically top our a330 and 764 pilots by 40 an hour.


Pretty simple. They banded their group four aircraft to the 777.

I've learned a lot about commercial and civilian aircraft identification on this thread, and I thank the experts. I'm still working on improving my ID skills and embarrassed to admit that although I've seen this aircraft plenty of times while taxiing by them on various airfields, I don't know what their official designation is. In this pic you can make one out in the background...what, prey tell is this aircraft?

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Of course they'll float it. Who cares? And yes it will even be considered by some.... I highly doubt if they can come up with enough to get 50% + 1 vote to approve it.... I am sure they will float lots of other crapola too.

Actually, I think the latest and greatest from USAPA is that they are trying to accelerate the SLI so that it is 1 v. 1 instead of 1 v. 1 v. 1, although I stopped paying attention a while back.

To say that they added nothing is fairly accurate, I suppose. Then again, if you look at the track records since BK givebacks, we have also given back more--via trade offs in our contract to secure more money. They certainly did not advance any until now, but also did not add givebacks until the MOU.

Everyone sees $$$ differently. Some see physical money, others see seat advancement, others see premium pay, some of our pilots have sugar mamas and want only QOL, when I ran for rep I had one guy lecture me for an hour that all he wanted was maximum hotel points on on our layovers.

I can tell you from an insiders point of view that at least one USAir east pilot will be very sad to see their scheduling system go away, which outpaces ours in flexibility by far.

I was a no voter on c2012 due to the value of the tradeoffs for the gains we received--especially small jet flying. I wonder how quickly we would have come to agreement without the trade offs in that agreement. Somehow, I think not so fast. So it will be with 2015.

Everyone has weak points in their contract, and ours is scope. Our pilots have voted time and time again to trade $$$ for productivity. That is our collective "value"

For USAir East pilots, it had been just the opposite, trading scope for $$$.

UAL and AMR have their weak parts as well and their strengths. T values money, I don't so much. I am the worlds single worst investor, he apparently does pretty well.

To say that we have done well is subjective. We have made trade-offs and have generally sacrifices our work rules and scope for $$$ others have stood more firm and have not voluntarily given as much and suffered the $$$ hit.

Here are the AMR/AAA/AWA rates

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I can't imagine why people go to those games. :D

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Nothing to see there.

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I really wish you'd come 'round more often.

Not sure...but whatever it is...it's on floats.

Manager, I think you need to check that 16.5 on 1/16 at AA. That is an estimated pay increase, it could be a lot less.

What is your definition of success? Do we know if a furlough would have taken place without it? Or that training costs would have been more than early out, or perhaps we all would have fallen more in seniority.