Originally Posted by Alan Shore (Post 1663844)

I like it!! Seriously. Any idea what approximate increase this would be to our total compensation package?

Originally Posted by index (Post 1663852)

Seriously Alan, what does it matter and why would you care?

Originally Posted by index (Post 1663852)

That's a management problem, not ours.

Originally Posted by index (Post 1663852)

Senior management is getting filthy rich off of our concessions. RA got a 42% increase to his pay package last year alone. Do you think he worried that it was "too much."

Originally Posted by index (Post 1663852)

We are WAY overdue for the return on our "investment."

Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1663849)

New ER program out for non contract employees. Might be worth a call to your reps to see if it can be extended to pilots. They might consider it if they can meter those early outs.

Originally Posted by Wingnutdal (Post 1663822)

What are people's thoughts on including a 3% per year raise as a tag on at the end of the contract. Just in case it does take 5 years to hash out a new agreement, maybe we wouldn't feel pressure to take a substandard (or not as good as the group wanted) deal.

Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1663871)

rotflmao. like that will be an incentive for anybody to leave early...... funny funny stuff.

I'll tell you this much. I am not willing to spend on red cent for any kind of early out program. We have seen enough of THAT crap to know that they don't work.

Originally Posted by gzsg (Post 1663769)

Sailing

What does the final product C2015 end up being in your book?

I will go first.

When management is returning billions to the shareholders and making record profits, making any concessions is insane.

Date of signing May 2004 Delta hourly rates plus 3%. 5% per year after that.

3 year duration.

Per diem $2.95/$3.95 plus .10 per year

44 days of vacation UAL match

Air tight Improved JV language with rapid and severe penalties.

$4000 annual company contribution to medical savings account.

4:30 vacation day and training day.

Restoration of C2012 profit sharing reduction.

I admit this is not "historic" but this is the very minimum.

Originally Posted by TheManager (Post 1663884)

How about more 401k money.

We currently lag.

We need 17%.

American/USAirways now gets 16% and in light of pattern bargaining and it's definition, we need 17% or we will be seen as the prison bitcche$ that actually like to give it up with out a fight.

Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1663849)

New ER program out for non contract employees. Might be worth a call to your reps to see if it can be extended to pilots. They might consider it if they can meter those early outs.

Originally Posted by georgetg (Post 1663470)

Block hours per pilot isn't a measure of efficiency in this business...

The widgets we make are called ASMs
The cost to make the widgets is CASM

Delta's CASM is indeed higher than Southwest's CASM.
But to effectively measure pilot productivity we need to measure the pilot portion of CASM.
Guess what we are still more efficient as Southwest when it comes to the pilot portion of production.
Yes, that's right, the pilot portion of CASM at Delta is lower than the pilot portion of CASM at Southwest.

Why is this?
Let's look at "digging"

The workers at company A produce 25 billable digging hours per week.
The workers at company B produce 20 billable digging hours per week.

Clearly the workers at company A are more efficient, right?
If you measure billable digging hours you'd be right.

What if I told you the workers at company A use a shovel and the workers at company B use a Caterpillar D9.

Now who is more efficient?
Does it matter if Company B pays their D9 drivers more than the shovel wielders at company A?

So yes, using sailings "metric" of block hours, we are less productive than the others. But using the metric based on the currency the company accountants use - ASM - we are not. And that's the one that matters...

Cheers
George


Extra credit homework for sailing:
What is the pilot portion of CASM at Delta, what is it at WN?
How many ASMs are produced per pilot block hour at Delta, how many at WN?

Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1663849)

New ER program out for non contract employees. Might be worth a call to your reps to see if it can be extended to pilots. They might consider it if they can meter those early outs.