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Hillbilly 04-27-2014 07:20 PM


Originally Posted by Ferd149 (Post 1630924)
That's the way I remember things from the NWA side too. There wasn't the bad blood that the Delta vs their regionals had.

I agree completely Ferd.

Hillbilly 04-27-2014 07:30 PM


Originally Posted by Purple Drank (Post 1630969)
Heaven forbid they do some heavy lifting raise the bar.

Amen to that!

tsquare 04-27-2014 07:41 PM


Originally Posted by Hillbilly (Post 1631610)
I can think of a scenario where this might be the case. If PurpD were, for example, a NYC 7ER B and junior in category over the last few years finding himself on reserve often, then he would probably be working more and more for the reserve guarantee as time has gone by over the last year or so.

I'm of the opinion that this would be a direct result of that category being overstaffed for a few years, the reserves becoming accustomed to the reduced reserve utilization that accompanied this overmanning and then the company making the choice to not backfill as pilots bid out of the category. This has caused that category to now be more rationally staffed in comparison to other categories across the company and the reserves in that category are now being used about as much as the reserves in other categories have always been getting used. I'm sure those reserves are working more than they were before, but this isn't being purely driven by any provision in C2012. It was set up by Delta being willing to carry a surplus in a category for a time period instead of displacing a bunch of pilots and over the last year or so they have corrected for that by not backfilling.

On the other hand, since I am taking a stab in the dark here, I could be completely wrong. It wouldn't be the first time. I do agree with PurpD that QOL is a very important factor and worth more than "a few bucks".

Problem is though, that his time in the box has not changed. He was on reserve 17 days/month then, and is on call 17 days/month now. The inconvenient fact is that he is now being used on more of those 17 days. That he became accustomed to sitting in his jammies all that time is irrelevant

Hillbilly 04-27-2014 08:43 PM


Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1631625)
Problem is though, that his time in the box has not changed. He was on reserve 17 days/month then, and is on call 17 days/month now. The inconvenient fact is that he is now being used on more of those 17 days. That he became accustomed to sitting in his jammies all that time is irrelevant

I don't disagree.

newKnow 04-27-2014 10:05 PM


Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 1631442)
Well, the money that used to be promised to us has to go somewhere, where do you think it should go?

So, when you lose $100 at the blackjack table, do you also tell the guy next to you how he should play his hands, because you want your money to go to him?

Do you think he should listen to you after you lost $100?

Mesabah, the horse has left the (your) barn, bro.

Alan Shore 04-28-2014 02:22 AM


Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1631625)
Problem is though, that his time in the box has not changed. He was on reserve 17 days/month then, and is on call 17 days/month now.

Not quite true. Prior to C2012, a full-month reserve began with 18 on-call days. Now, it begins with 16-18, depending upon the guarantee and staffing in the category.

Alan Shore 04-28-2014 04:10 AM


Originally Posted by RockyBoy (Post 1631619)
Now the next big improvement would be to count how many GS credit hours you have and have GS's go to those who have less GS hours. Kinda stinks to use up GS#1 on a turn then see a junior guy get GS#1 for a 4-day. Then the next week you get another turn for GS#2 and the junior guy gets a 3 day GS#2. So you get 10:30 or so and the junior guy gets 30 hours. I know it's luck of the draw, but if we had a system that awarded GS's based on who had the least amount of GS hours instead of actual # of GS's that would even it out even more.

Interesting idea. How would you apply that to IAs, which are also metered in the same way?

dalad 04-28-2014 04:31 AM


Originally Posted by Alan Shore (Post 1631694)
Interesting idea. How would you apply that to IAs, which are also metered in the same way?

Alan, we already have that in the preferences. I never put in for a one day GS.

RonRicco 04-28-2014 06:26 AM


Originally Posted by dalad (Post 1631700)
Alan, we already have that in the preferences. I never put in for a one day GS.

I agree. GS preferences are just like WS preferences. If you don't want to work one day GS, or a 4 day GS, you can avoid them easily.

RockyBoy 04-28-2014 06:33 AM


Originally Posted by Alan Shore (Post 1631694)
Interesting idea. How would you apply that to IAs, which are also metered in the same way?

IA's aren't something we volunteer for so I guess you could just leave them as they are? Not sure on that one I'll have to think about it.

I have just always thought that it would be a more even system if we were awarded GS's on the amount of GS pay we have vs. the actual # of GS awarded since some guys get great ones and others get the low time ones. As it is now you can kind of sharp shoot it with your preferences and not acknowledge some of the low times ones. If we had a system that handed them out based on hours then a lot of us would take whatever we were offered knowing we wouldn't miss out on a higher time trip waiting for the #2 to come back around.

Maybe a GS RAW score and the guy with the lowest score who has in a GS gets the trip no matter how many they have already done.


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