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scambo1 04-09-2014 05:21 PM


Originally Posted by Big E 757 (Post 1620443)
What do you mean expound on my statement? I don't know how to put multiple quotes into one post but a few pages back, T square said something about the A330 replacing the 747 and it pays less and such.

Then the post I quoted said the only reasonable replacement for the 747 was the 777-300. T square likes to argue LBP (Longevity Based Pay) every chance he gets. That was the basis for my statement.

The A330 has about 300 seats and the 747 I believe has 460ish. So, over 100 seats less.

Is that what you are asking?

E

The question was more about the 747 vs 777 comparison than the 747 vs 330. However, there are basic comparisons between all three that equate to range, fuel burn/measureable unit, cargo capacity and passenger capacity.

In all those measureable metrics, IMO the 744 provides the least flexibility per comparable.

It may take two a330s to fully replace a 744, but that isn't necessarily cost ineffective or bad.

forgot to bid 04-09-2014 05:29 PM


Originally Posted by Big E 757 (Post 1620451)
Well, maybe we can get 747/777-3 pay raised above 777 pay, which it should be, then 777-2/A330/767-4(maybe) a raise above current levels, then group 76/75/73 pay together, then A320/319/m88/M90 pay together, we might be closer to LBP.

And oops on the 747 seating...I thought it was a lot more, maybe it was before the lie flat mods.

744/773
772/765/330
7ER/73N
320/319/M88
717

Makes sense to me.

80ktsClamp 04-09-2014 05:32 PM


Originally Posted by Big E 757 (Post 1620451)
Well, maybe we can get 747/777-3 pay raised above 777 pay, which it should be, then 777-2/A330/767-4(maybe) a raise above current levels, then group 76/75/73 pay together, then A320/319/m88/M90 pay together, we might be closer to LBP.

And oops on the 747 seating...I thought it was a lot more, maybe it was before the lie flat mods.

Twas 405 in the pre flatbed (NW carry in) configuration. :)

.... I'm a nerd, I know. But I'm not the NERD kind. ;)

Overall agreed, but what about the 321s that are coming that are considerably larger than the 739?

80ktsClamp 04-09-2014 05:34 PM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1620456)
744/773
772/765/330
7er/73n
320/319/m88
717

makes sense to me.

dc9
744/773
772/765/330
7er/321/739
73n/320/319/m88

Tonight we will finally give tsquare a heart attack. :)

forgot to bid 04-09-2014 05:39 PM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1620458)
dc9
744/773
772/765/330
7er/321/739
73n/320/319/m88

:)

Yes.

And remember the idea of having the pay higher earlier rather than later?

There is no way you could make that swap now but what if instead of that we went with a 30 year bell curve with years 10-20 being the highest rates...

http://andihammer.com/wp-content/upl...970b-800wi.gif
bewb

it might be kind of interesting. It'd allow pilots to make more money earlier and get that money working for them and then discourage hanging out later in the career unless they love to fly. And guys who love to fly would be more fun to fly with probably than the dude just wanting a paycheck.

Big E 757 04-09-2014 05:46 PM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1620458)
dc9
744/773
772/765/330
7er/321/739
73n/320/319/m88

Tonight we will finally give tsquare a heart attack. :)

That's even better. I forgot about the A321's

And although I don't think pay banding is what T is talking about, he will probably get a little dizzy reading this.

sailingfun 04-09-2014 05:55 PM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1620457)
Twas 405 in the pre flatbed (NW carry in) configuration. :)

.... I'm a nerd, I know. But I'm not the NERD kind. ;)

Overall agreed, but what about the 321s that are coming that are considerably larger than the 739?

The 321 is advertised as having 185 seats in a typical 2 class. I think we have 182 in our 737-900's. It's about 3 feet longer. Not sure how all that equates to considerable larger.

Alan Shore 04-09-2014 05:55 PM


Originally Posted by PilotFrog (Post 1620387)
I have vacation next month. How exactly do I bid a reserve line if I want to slide the vacation. For example the vacation is the 11-17 but I want the 6-12. I know that I would bid slide -5 but then I want to use some of my off days around the vacation as well. So if the slide is accepted I have like the 5-13 off, but if it isn't accepted I want to bid my off days so I get the 6-10 off then start the vacation. I tried last time and my vacation wasn't slide and then all or nothings bids were all screwed up and my then start next wasn't right as well.

Your vacation slide bid will be honored so long as you are not unstacked on those days. IOW, if you can hold the days off at all, you'll get the vacation slide. After that, getting the days off will simply depend on having the right groupings of days on and off.

sailingfun 04-09-2014 06:00 PM


Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1620453)
The question was more about the 747 vs 777 comparison than the 747 vs 330. However, there are basic comparisons between all three that equate to range, fuel burn/measureable unit, cargo capacity and passenger capacity.

In all those measureable metrics, IMO the 744 provides the least flexibility per comparable.

It may take two a330s to fully replace a 744, but that isn't necessarily cost ineffective or bad.

Two airframes is rarely cost effective verses one. That is especially true on international flights. 3 to 4 pilots becomes 6 to 8. One gate becomes two. Additional route authorities become needed and your maintenance costs almost double. Word is Delta is looking at only two options. The 777-300 or the A350-1000. The A330's would be 767 replacements.

scambo1 04-09-2014 06:04 PM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1620475)
Two airframes is rarely cost effective verses one. That is especially true on international flights. 3 to 4 pilots becomes 6 to 8. One gate becomes two. Additional route authorities become needed and your maintenance costs almost double. Word is Delta is looking at only two options. The 777-300 or the A350-1000. The A330's would be 767 replacements.

I agree with everything you said. I was never making the argument that the 330 was replacing the 744. However, my post you just quoted was referring to flexibility and efficiency.

IOW, taking your above statement to the extreme, we would fly a single mothership daily to Europe.


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