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sailingfun 04-10-2014 02:32 AM


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1620532)
Because they assume they would gain:
  • More Money
  • Better Seniority
... and they don't consider what effect doing so might have in a merger ...

Or the fact that would apply to half the list only and eliminate many options in career management.

Scoop 04-10-2014 05:29 AM


Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1620425)
I don't know about the reserve coverage in your category, but this is a technique. Bid the vacation slide -5...you understand that.

Then of course ask for days off where you want them around your vacation.

After the bids come out, if you didn't get the X days where you want them, go to PBS then leave request. Then move reserve off days.

As a last resort use a personal drop or authorized personal drop.

I think else start next bid group only jumps you from a regular to a reserve line. It skips right over reduced lower limit...which actually could also be a good option for you next month.

Scambo,

Else start next will jump to the next bid group regardless of whatever it is.

Alan Shore mentioned that if the original poster were senior enough to hold the days off he wanted to slide into without being un-stacked his slide would go through. This is correct, but since his last slide did not go through the Else start next option is a way to cover all contingencies.

Each separate bid group will request a certain slide and the rest of that bid group can be tailored to that exact slide. So no matter slide he is awarded, his full requested slide of -5, something from -4 to -1, or no slide at all, the rest of his bid will be optimized for that slide.

As always if not 100% sure run your proposed bid through the experts at bid assist.

Scoop :)

forgot to bid 04-10-2014 05:30 AM

I heard that the A321 cant do transcons without a 150 kt tailwind and blocking off 70 seats and even then no alternate.








:D

Alan Shore 04-10-2014 06:27 AM


Originally Posted by Scoop (Post 1620671)
...since his last slide did not go through the Else start next option is a way to cover all contingencies.

Each separate bid group will request a certain slide and the rest of that bid group can be tailored to that exact slide. So no matter slide he is awarded, his full requested slide of -5, something from -4 to -1, or no slide at all, the rest of his bid will be optimized for that slide.

Couldn't he do the same thing in a single bid group by requesting the slide as a range of -5 to -1, and asking for all of his desired days off as his next-highest priority? PBS should then slide the vacation as far as possible, given any unstacking, and then award him as many of the surrounding days off that he can hold.

TCMC17RES 04-10-2014 06:55 AM

A little help determining the value of a Green slip on reserve. I'm thinking of submitting a GS to fly a trip that reports before 12:00 on my first on call day. So this would be a GS on an on call day without X day payback (right?). I will NOT exceed the ALV or GS trigger, I'm a fly less and live my life kind of guy.

Below is the section I can't interpret what "applied against his reserve guarantee" means. It sounds like they give you straight pay for the hours flown, but deduct it "against" (from) your guarantee (+1 -1 = 0). This becomes no different than a yellow slip if you don't exceed the ALV. what's the value in that? How can that be called "premium pay" when it's really just pay, plus a deduction from my guarantee?

Section 23 U 1.
b. A reserve pilot who has flown a GS rotation(s) will receive:
27 1) single pay and credit for the portion of such rotation(s) flown on his reserve on-
28 call days that occurred before the pilot's accumulated credit exceeded the ALV
29 (applied against his reserve guarantee),
30 and
31 2) single pay, no credit (in addition to any other form of pay and credit for the bid 32 period) for the portion of such rotation(s) that: 33 a) interrupted his X-day(s), or 34 b) occurred after his accumulated credit equaled the ALV,

Alan Shore 04-10-2014 07:00 AM


Originally Posted by TCMC17RES (Post 1620715)
A little help determining the value of a Green slip on reserve. I'm thinking of submitting a GS to fly a trip that reports before 12:00 on my first on call day. So this would be a GS on an on call day without X day payback (right?). I will NOT exceed the ALV or GS trigger, I'm a fly less and live my life kind of guy.

Below is the section I can't interpret what "applied against his reserve guarantee" means. It sounds like they give you straight pay for the hours flown, but deduct it "against" (from) your guarantee (+1 -1 = 0). This becomes no different than a yellow slip if you don't exceed the ALV. what's the value in that? How can that be called "premium pay" when it's really just pay, plus a deduction from my guarantee?

Section 23 U 1.
b. A reserve pilot who has flown a GS rotation(s) will receive:
27 1) single pay and credit for the portion of such rotation(s) flown on his reserve on-
28 call days that occurred before the pilot's accumulated credit exceeded the ALV
29 (applied against his reserve guarantee),
30 and
31 2) single pay, no credit (in addition to any other form of pay and credit for the bid 32 period) for the portion of such rotation(s) that: 33 a) interrupted his X-day(s), or 34 b) occurred after his accumulated credit equaled the ALV,

You needed to read just a bit further, to 23 U. 1. c.:

c. A long call reserve pilot who is awarded a GS rotation with a report that is within 12 hours of the first attempted contact will receive single pay, no credit for the first duty period of the rotation (in addition to any other pay and credit for the bid period).

This includes reporting before 1200 on your first on-call day. You'll receive pay, no credit (above your guarantee) for the first duty period of the rotation and pay and credit (offset against your guarantee) for the remainder (assuming it's all on on-call days).

forgot to bid 04-10-2014 07:03 AM


Originally Posted by Alan Shore (Post 1620720)
You needed to read just a bit further, to 23 U. 1. c.:

c. A long call reserve pilot who is awarded a GS rotation with a report that is within 12 hours of the first attempted contact will receive single pay, no credit for the first duty period of the rotation (in addition to any other pay and credit for the bid period).

This includes reporting before 1200 on your first on-call day. You'll receive pay, no credit (above your guarantee) for the first duty period of the rotation and pay and credit (offset against your guarantee) for the remainder (assuming it's all on on-call days).

Basically he's putting in a GS that is actually a YS correct?

Now if it's report in < 12 hours it's a GS above guarantee on the first day but not the rest of the days and no payback?

I am shooting from the hip here but isn't that correct?

Alan Shore 04-10-2014 07:06 AM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1620721)
Basically he's putting in a GS that is actually a YS correct?

Now if it's report in < 12 hours it's a GS above guarantee on the first day but not the rest of the days and no payback?

Right, and that's what differentiates it from a YS.

badflaps 04-10-2014 07:24 AM

[QUOTE=forgot to bid;1620672]I heard that the A321 cant do transcons without a 150 kt tailwind and blocking off 70 seats and even then no alternate.
QUOTE]

I hear that there is a mod in the works for drop tanks.

TCMC17RES 04-10-2014 07:41 AM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1620721)
Basically he's putting in a GS that is actually a YS correct?

Now if it's report in < 12 hours it's a GS above guarantee on the first day but not the rest of the days and no payback?

Okay, so it MUST be within 12 hours or it is just a yellow slip to fly before noon on my first on call day. I think I've got it. Thanks!


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