I've seen this discussed here rather exhaustively by folks who were there or who heard about it from others. Perhaps your reps could fill in the rest.

Horse's mouth, and all that...

I agree about contacting my reps, and I have been rereading a lot of the last 100 pages and I still can't get past the fact that if I am going to be bound to a contract then I want to read it before I am bound to it.

Same with buying a car (as I learned the hard way) or getting a new phone plan, I don't care what the salesman says the deal is, I want to read it. And I don't care if I have an agent who created the contract on my behalf with my best interests in mind, I just want to read it for myself.

Call scheduling and ask. It's a new rule with this new LOA

You probably won't have to wait long for the magnificent b%4tard who stands in the middle of the lounge, and speaks on his mobile phone at a volume that would be appropriate for a presentation. The topics range from "I need some mulch" to "My ATV is in Beaufort and I need to get my trailer back from my brother in law before I can pick it up". He's there every time I have a sit!:(

Agreed....

Uh, no. The company's opener is their initial position in negotiations. A TA represents the end product of negotiations and the start of a ratification process. That's why I said TA as opposed to "company's opener." You used "company's opener", I used "TA." Our MEC and pilots approved the first TA produced by negotiations. Neither the pilots or the MEC sent the TA back for more negotiations to produce another TA because we voted in the first TA.

Does this end your confusion between company openers and TA's ?

Carl

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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44
I don't understand why we are not allowed. They can't even notify us of the trip until the short call starts or it resets out rest. They can't expect us to show us within minutes of being acknowledged. Even the guy who lives 20 minutes away might be at the gym and have to go home and shower and pack. Seems petty to me taking that away.

Well, sounds to me like you will always be 2 hours away no matter where you are when they call. You can be petty too.

That sounds reasonable. When I asked what happened to the pay no credit part of 5:15 I was simply told it went away in the renegotiation.

I don't understand this part either. On the surface it seems to make no sense. The company gains nothing. I have however heard the company has had issues with guys abusing the 2 hour slide and not being in position. Seems however they should punish those guys and not everyone else.

No confusion on my part, other than what goes on inside your head sometimes. Which is it? Was the TA the product of negotiation (with Scrappy using his skills) or was it something the Company had wanted from the start?

Your assertion that, because the MEC and pilot group ratified the first TA, Scrappy was never forced to "use his negotiating skills," implies to me that the Company had planned all along to give us exactly what we wound up with. Perhaps you feel that the gap between their opener and the TA was somehow magically bridged by them using a Vulcan mindmeld, since Scrappy did not negotiate for it. :confused:

Do you seriously believe that the only way to get a Negotiating Committee to even try is to reject their first TA? If so, then why not the second or the third?

That is my confusion.