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pilotc90a 05-23-2014 04:04 AM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1649776)
http://i938.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps949552e9.jpg

The writing was on the wall when Carl and Tsquare were on the same page. To make a run on Cemetery Hill was not worth it.

I love the graphic, only one problem, you have Index getting behind Tsquare. I think that is unlikely to happen. :)

Sink r8 05-23-2014 04:09 AM


Originally Posted by crazyjaydawg (Post 1649823)
Being a Navy guy, I'm going to have to go ahead and correct you. That is an F/A-18.

That post is like a little piece of paper that got rolled into a tiny ball, and 80 and ftb are like kittens that just momentarily froze, across the room.

It's on.

Sink r8 05-23-2014 04:23 AM

Do you guys also try to convince your wife and kids that you're saving our union democratic process on the internet, and there was this very important LOA, and you were going to have to do these awful, awful trips, which would take you away from them, so you had to get the word out, but you love them very much? Do they buy it?

Or is it just better to say you're surfing for porn?

gzsg 05-23-2014 04:42 AM

Not a word about CDOs. No education. No survey results. Just an attempt to jam down from our leaders. Many thanks to our Atlanta pilots who made the calls and wrote the emails and showed the center of power the light.

We dodged a bullet, but the chamber is still full.

C2015 will be about 3 things.

Training concessions-the major thrust will be pay banding. But management will attempt to drive training to the lowest level possible and eliminate all seniority list instructors.

Reducing or eliminating profit sharing.

Reducing sick leave bank.

We have a new negotiating chairman. I hope he is as tough as we have been led to believe. Get his email address and write him and the other negotiators. Be supportive. Be positive. And make it clear concessions are not necessary when management sends billions to the shareholders and leaves their pilots a decade behind, further milking their concessions when they are no longer needed.

Don't sit on the sidelines.

Make you voice heard.

hockeypilot44 05-23-2014 05:06 AM

Just curious. What prevents split duty periods right now in our contract? What will prevent them after this LOA is signed?

Check Essential 05-23-2014 05:31 AM


Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 1649874)
Just curious. What prevents split duty periods right now in our contract? What will prevent them after this LOA is signed?

12.D.1

The max duty period based on report time. (9 hours report to release)

LivingTheDream 05-23-2014 05:32 AM


Originally Posted by RonRicco (Post 1649843)
What should they do? (This is not a rhetorical question) poll the whole pilot group after every resolution is passed?

Yes and Yes! This, after all, is the internet age. No matter how great an idea(s) 15 or so guys have at an LEC meeting, it(they) can be easily vetted by the entire pilot group via a one week poll/vote on the interweb.

There is virtually no excuse, in this day and age, for something as onerous as SDPs to be sprung on the pilot group at the nth hour. (We are very lucky that we dodged this bullet.)

Again, how this made it to the level it did, and how our chairman was able to sign an email announcing how great this TA was (that included these SDPs), is beyond unbelievable.

Is our MEC really that out of touch? (I intend to find out.)

I do not have great hope for 2015.

P.S. I still feel strongly that a TA that changes so many of our pay/work rules should be an automatic memrat.

DALMD88FO 05-23-2014 05:35 AM


Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 1649882)
12.D.1

The max duty period based on report time. (9 hours report to release)

Um the LOA puts table B of FAR 117 into effect, which has 12 hour FDP, for the time of night that the CDO's would sign in, so they could do it now without having it in the contract.

tsquare 05-23-2014 05:44 AM


Originally Posted by gzsg (Post 1649863)
Not a word about CDOs. No education. No survey results. Just an attempt to jam down from our leaders. Many thanks to our Atlanta pilots who made the calls and wrote the emails and showed the center of power the light.

We dodged a bullet, but the chamber is still full.

C2015 will be about 3 things.

Training concessions-the major thrust will be pay banding. But management will attempt to drive training to the lowest level possible and eliminate all seniority list instructors.

Reducing or eliminating profit sharing.

Reducing sick leave bank.

We have a new negotiating chairman. I hope he is as tough as we have been led to believe. Get his email address and write him and the other negotiators. Be supportive. Be positive. And make it clear concessions are not necessary when management sends billions to the shareholders and leaves their pilots a decade behind, further milking their concessions when they are no longer needed.

Don't sit on the sidelines.

Make you voice heard.

You didn't mention the elephant in the room.. health care. Whether it be transfer of costs or some other mechanism... It will come up.

CheapTrick 05-23-2014 05:48 AM

So the process worked? Members called their reps and expressed their opinion, thoughts, protests, and concerns? The reps then responded by removing the contended language via the negotiating process before voting on the entire LOA? Seems like a beautiful thing.

I suppose now the permanent haters, the terminally grumpy, the anarchists, the victims, et al. will claim victory over the same men who serve them? Perhaps we can still be treated the "sky is falling" chorus that serves this forum as anonymous background music. Maybe some more visual stimulus like "we dodged a bullet, but the chamber is still full".

Tell me again why "no membership ratification" will breath life into DPA? This negotiation, process, and LOA appears to have been calmly and expertly handled.


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