Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1649743)

At every line check meeting for the last 2 years, all rumors of HAL have been cut short before they get any life into a discussion. They bring nothing to the table except HND which we can get otherwise. (and a few 717s)

Originally Posted by vprMatrix (Post 1649908)

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NOTHING!

We just agreed to do CDO with no protection. :mad:

Honestly I think the SDP discussion was a red herring to get the FDP changed and the MEC has now rammed it down our throat faster that we could blink.

I have posted this several times in the last few days but here is the reality.

The SDP language would have allowed:
- 12 hour FDP (extendable to 14 hours)
- 3 hours minimum sleep opportunity
- No more than 2 hours skd block per leg

The thing nobody has been really paying attention to is the changes to Section 12.D.2 (Unaugmented FDP limits).

We have now agreed to up to 13.5 hour scheduled FDP vs current 13 and for night time ops our limits has gone from a low of 8.5 - 9 hours up to 10.5 or 11.5 hours scheduled with maxes of 13 and 14 hour.

With the new TA a pilot can be assigned a rotation with a 2100 report that looks like this:

- 11.5 hour FDP ( extendable to 14 with PIC/SIC concurrence)
- No Minimum Sleep Opportunity or even a Hotel Room
- No 2 hour block time restriction

I really hope someone else can show me where I am wrong, but I believe that we have just been had.

All we gained was 30 minutes and some pay. So that makes it all good and safe now.

Originally Posted by Big E 757 (Post 1649935)

When RA told you point blank that he was not here to facilitate a merger, did you believe him then too? I would consider anything regarding future merger plans "inside information" and thus, a big no-no to discuss with employees and LCA's.

Originally Posted by Sink r8 (Post 1649857)

Do you guys also try to convince your wife and kids that you're saving our union democratic process on the internet, and there was this very important LOA, and you were going to have to do these awful, awful trips, which would take you away from them, so you had to get the word out, but you love them very much? Do they buy it?

Or is it just better to say you're surfing for porn?

Originally Posted by FlyingSig (Post 1649924)

PWA, Section 12 Q 1

Q. Window of Circadian Low (WOCL)

1. At the time of publication of the bid package:
a. if a duty period is scheduled to intrude into a WOCL, it will:
1) contain no more than two landings within the WOCL.
2) not contain a flight segment(s) originating subsequent to the WOCL.

Originally Posted by FlyingSig (Post 1649932)

§ 117.15 Flight duty period: Split duty.
For an unaugmented operation only, if a flightcrew member is provided with a rest opportunity (an opportunity to sleep) in a suitable accommodation during his or her flight duty period, the time that the flightcrew member spends in the suitable accommodation is not part of that flightcrew member’s flight duty period if all of the following conditions are met:
(a) The rest opportunity is provided between the hours of 22:00 and 05:00 local time.
(b) The time spent in the suitable accommodation is at least 3 hours, measured from the time that the flightcrew member reaches the suitable accommodation.
(c) The rest opportunity is scheduled before the beginning of the flight duty period in which that rest opportunity is taken.
(d) The rest opportunity that the flightcrew member is actually provided may not be less than the rest opportunity that was scheduled.
(e) The rest opportunity is not provided until the first segment of the flight duty period has been completed.
(f) The combined time of the flight duty period and the rest opportunity provided in this section does not exceed 14 hours.

Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1649776)

http://i938.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps949552e9.jpg

The writing was on the wall when Carl and Tsquare were on the same page. To make a run on Cemetery Hill was not worth it.

Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1649776)

http://i938.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps949552e9.jpg

The writing was on the wall when Carl and Tsquare were on the same page. To make a run on Cemetery Hill was not worth it.