Would you have preferred to leave it at 10 hours notice for short call with the 2-hour commute?

You realize that the product Donatelli and the negotiators put in front of the MEC was what they asked for?

According to my reps there was some question about a pay-no credit part of the CDO's, but other than that, it was what the MEC told them to get.

True, but where 117 was shorter it superseded the PWA so we gained nothing but we did give up up to 3 hour in tighter night time language which is a big loss.

Thanks, now I'm going to have to report to my AME that I'm on blood thinners because my BP just went through the roof.

But that video shows one thing, Navy pilots make great airline pilots. All the video showed them doing was eating and reading Sky Mall :D

You've been trying to develop this point obliquely for a few pages, but you're failing to get any interest. It’s not because you’ve been too subtle. It’s. Because. No. One. Cares.

I don’t know if you realize this, but the group has gotten over the novelty of the merger. Everyone here is talking about the right lessons, the specifics, the mistakes not to be repeated in order to move the group forward, and you're merely back on APC for merger politics.

Because you live in the past, you fail yet again. You've failed to convince on DPA, and you're going to fail to draw contrasts between "good" and "bad" councils. You're trying to use the "MEMRAT = good argument", but you're only going to embarrass the reps you're trying to glorify.

Everyone understands that the failure in this TA was to include CDO’s without polling or communicating. That’s the problem, and it’s a problem the MEC shares collectively. But let’s say you insist on drawing distinctions, let’s say you high-five “NYC, MSP, DTW, the F/O rep from CVG and the training rep in ATL”. That’s going to cause a few disturbing questions. If you want to insist on describing the performance of my reps, then I’d like to say that, for NYC pilots, your rhetoric on APC is going to raise a few pointed questions:


1) Why is it that “NYC, MSP, DTW, the F/O rep from CVG and the training rep in ATL” are so very, very consistently voting together?

2) How did NYC become so enamored with CDO’s, when we have very little experience with them, and probably would have never even thought to ask?

3) Why is it that we have two CA reps in NYC that (according to a PanAm pilot) go back to PanAm days, and are very close, but one NYC CA is the CA rep for DTW, and the other NYC CA is the CA rep for NYC? And they vote as if they were twins. Is that a good relationship, from NYC’s perspective?

4) How is it, that two guys who campaigned so heavily on communications, communications, and communications never uttered a word about CDO’s, before they became a political liability?

5) How is it that the FO rep, who campaigned on his expertise on rotation construction, and his experience on the RCC, never raised the alarm, or polled, or asked for feedback on CDO’s before they were thrown in our lap?


Until the great CDO riots of 2014, these guys cooked a meal in secret, and brought it to the table, ready to serve. We caught a whiff of a dish of steaming turds, and demanded they throw it away. Now you want us to promote the chefs who until recently were fine-tuning the turd gravy, and probably asked for turds to be put on the menu, for "letting" us vote on how we like the steak? Really?

It’s always a stupid move to interfere with other councils, as we all know. You're not just going to fail on this argument because you’re being a presumptuous asshat, telling us how to handle our representation. You’re going to fail yet again, not because have no point, but because you're obsessed with the politics of the past, and not the solutions of the future. We all want a functional MEC that produces solid results, and you’re just here to promote your peeps. You're failing all of us, badly, when you play these games.






Sorry about the colorful examples, and I hope you all can still enjoy your meal. Have a nice Memorial Day week-end, everyone. You too, Carl.

You had me at hello...

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If that's what the MEC asked for...then it's painfully obvious they were out of touch, based on the overwhelming response against CDOs.

But up at national there, I'm not surprised that you reveal yourself to be completely out of touch, too. When was the last time you were on the line? And isn't it time for you to report in to catch a Moak poke?

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Wrong guy. Try again.

Carl,

Mind your own base. While applauding the pandering you overlooked that the efforts of one you applaud wasn't even there (he phoned it in by proxy, yeah ... applause).

As a DPA supporter and separatist bent on disunity it does not surprise me that you would like to see a true blue died in the wool labor guy like Donatelli gone. (I think he is terrific)

You probably could care less that pilots who lost pay as a result of a PD (taking one for the team) would have their pay restoration delayed by needless memrat while the issue hung in the balance and possibly was lost as a result of DPA grenade throwing. You figure the improvements in pay, crew rest and clarifications on reserve will not effect you.

Save us the reposts of DPA advocates' poorly considered talking points. Like your friends you do not care if we support our negotiators by ratifying what we've told management is a "deal," twice. You probably think our team aren't "professionals" and as such you want them to fail in hope of offsetting a ever depleting box of expiring cards.

You count on the more rational, smarter and more disciplined among your pilot group to carry the load while you run amok throwing grenades at them. So, I applaud the reps who stood up, took responsibility and represented us.

Besides they will not move your jet to Atlanta until the end of the year ;)