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Originally Posted by Ferd149
(Post 1650091)
NWA had a 4:15 minimum day
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Originally Posted by Purple Drank
(Post 1650017)
I am, of course, disheartened by another shoddy product from the NC.
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Originally Posted by Alan Shore
(Post 1650188)
Of course. Shoddy? Do tell. Or are you just sniping?
Until he gets paid and doesn't have to actually perform any work, he will consider the product "shoddy" or a "sell out" or a "sales job". Really though... he funny. |
Originally Posted by Alan Shore
(Post 1650185)
Just on 1-day trips, as far as I can tell.
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Well, anytime things like this happen, we need to try to learn from it. Lots of great comments about the learning points of staying engaged and never shutting up or giving up. But tops on my list is our old friend the memory rat. This new amendment to our PWA is over 20 pages and touches many aspect of our working lives. How on Earth could this have not gone to MEMRAT? And please don't use the excuse of cost as that's such an obvious red herring.
I applaud our reps from NYC, MSP, DTW, the F/O rep from CVG and the training rep in ATL. Regardless of where you stood on the TA itself, the fact that you gentlemen pushed to have the pilots you represent decide such a comprehensive change to the PWA makes me very proud of you. The 11 reps who voted against having the pilots decide should be recalled immediately. Regardless of where you stood on the merits of the TA, you've failed in the most basic duty of being a rep. Donatelli must be recalled immediately as well. For someone touted as such a tough guy with strike committee experience, he's shown himself to be every bit as weak and aligned with management's interests as O'Malley. He tried to snow the pilots he's supposed to be looking out for. Deception shouldn't be rewarded with continued tenure. I urge the pilots of the LAX, SLC, SEA, CVG and ATL bases to make the rep changes that will also make the MEC chairman change. Let's try to get this right before Section 6 for C2015 begins. We've got almost a year to go. Lets get this right! Carl |
Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
(Post 1650194)
Well, anytime things like this happen, we need to try to learn from it. Lots of great comments about the learning points of staying engaged and never shutting up or giving up. But tops on my list is our old friend the memory rat. This new amendment to our PWA is over 20 pages and touches many aspect of our working lives. How on Earth could this have not gone to MEMRAT? And please don't use the excuse of cost as that's such an obvious red herring.
I applaud our reps from NYC, MSP, DTW, the F/O rep from CVG and the training rep in ATL. Regardless of where you stood on the TA itself, the fact that you gentlemen pushed to have the pilots you represent decide such a comprehensive change to the PWA makes me very proud of you. The 11 reps who voted against having the pilots decide should be recalled immediately. Regardless of where you stood on the merits of the TA, you've failed in the most basic duty of being a rep. Donatelli must be recalled immediately as well. For someone touted as such a tough guy with strike committee experience, he's shown himself to be every bit as weak and aligned with management's interests as O'Malley. He tried to snow the pilots he's supposed to be looking out for. Deception shouldn't be rewarded with continued tenure. I urge the pilots of the LAX, SLC, SEA, CVG and ATL bases to make the rep changes that will also make the MEC chairman change. Let's try to get this right before Section 6 for C2015 begins. We've got almost a year to go. Lets get this right! Carl Had the SDPs been kept, then absolutely it should have gone to memrat. In fact I emailed my reps urging them to do exactly that (as a minimum) before the SDPs were finally deleted. No work rule changes were made, except in our favor. Nothing was changed at all, except in our favor. The only thing the company got was a firm set of ground rules for themselves as they assign flying to reserves. They paid dearly for those clear cut rules. I applaud the entire MEC. I don't think sending this to memrat was a dealbreaker in its current form. |
Originally Posted by Herkflyr
(Post 1650201)
I think you are being a bit hystrionic. This TA is all positive--do we really need to go through the motions?
Had the SDPs been kept, then absolutely it should have gone to memrat. In fact I emailed my reps urging them to do exactly that (as a minimum) before the SDPs were finally deleted. No work rule changes were made, except in our favor. Nothing was changed at all, except in our favor. The only thing the company got was a firm set of ground rules for themselves as they assign flying to reserves. They paid dearly for those clear cut rules. I applaud the entire MEC. I don't think sending this to memrat was a dealbreaker in its current form. +717............. |
Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 1650030)
The MEC was not out of touch Not according to the two dozen pilots I spoke with over the last 48hrs... let's just agree to disagree. There were a lot of former NW pilots who flew and liked the trips and that feedback went to the MEC via reps in those bases. Define a lot... again, see above... plus reference the loud outcry. I just talked with a NW guy who is mad they removed them. "A" NW guy? Doesn't seem very statistically significant. When CDO's went public it became obvious that overall the pilot group by a substantial margin did not want them and they were removed This is a large part of the problem... very few line pilots new about the SDPs until the last second... we came way too close to eating this one. Finally, I doubt seriously that 50.1% of the pilot group asked for SDPs in the last survey. They are unsafe and have no business in our contract. Our MEC should be ashamed to have even considered these for our pilot group. Period. |
Originally Posted by Alan Shore
(Post 1650170)
But hasn't the notice for short call been increased by the same two hours from 10 to 12? IOW, yesterday I got 10 hours notice for short call and could use the first two of those hours to commute. Now, I get 12 hours notice and use the same two hours (the ones from 10 to 12) to commute.
What's the difference? |
Originally Posted by Herkflyr
(Post 1650201)
I think you are being a bit hystrionic. This TA is all positive--do we really need to go through the motions?
Had the SDPs been kept, then absolutely it should have gone to memrat. In fact I emailed my reps urging them to do exactly that (as a minimum) before the SDPs were finally deleted. No work rule changes were made, except in our favor. Nothing was changed at all, except in our favor. The only thing the company got was a firm set of ground rules for themselves as they assign flying to reserves. They paid dearly for those clear cut rules. I applaud the entire MEC. I don't think sending this to memrat was a dealbreaker in its current form. |
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