Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1650181)

Why would the Navy have anything to do with it? That's obviously Air Force.

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1650194)

Well, anytime things like this happen, we need to try to learn from it. Lots of great comments about the learning points of staying engaged and never shutting up or giving up. But tops on my list is our old friend the memory rat. This new amendment to our PWA is over 20 pages and touches many aspect of our working lives. How on Earth could this have not gone to MEMRAT? And please don't use the excuse of cost as that's such an obvious red herring.

I applaud our reps from NYC, MSP, DTW, the F/O rep from CVG and the training rep in ATL. Regardless of where you stood on the TA itself, the fact that you gentlemen pushed to have the pilots you represent decide such a comprehensive change to the PWA makes me very proud of you. The 11 reps who voted against having the pilots decide should be recalled immediately. Regardless of where you stood on the merits of the TA, you've failed in the most basic duty of being a rep.

Donatelli must be recalled immediately as well. For someone touted as such a tough guy with strike committee experience, he's shown himself to be every bit as weak and aligned with management's interests as O'Malley. He tried to snow the pilots he's supposed to be looking out for. Deception shouldn't be rewarded with continued tenure.

I urge the pilots of the LAX, SLC, SEA, CVG and ATL bases to make the rep changes that will also make the MEC chairman change. Let's try to get this right before Section 6 for C2015 begins. We've got almost a year to go. Lets get this right!

Carl

Originally Posted by Maddoggin (Post 1650136)

Speaking of CDO's. This trip didn't pay 10.5 either. This is about as bad of a CDO as they get. I'm assuming this was a cover for a late flight but they can still create CDO like trips when convenient and FAR 117 legal.

Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1650181)

Why would the Navy have anything to do with it? That's obviously Air Force.

Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 1650216)

2 hours at the end of short call if you don't get used. For the widebody commuters, it's a wash. They now get 12 hours notice, can't use the 2 hour commute, but their short call was reduced from 14 to 12 hours. For the narrowbody guys, this is a concession. Truthfully, we are so short I don't see anyone not getting used on short call until the slow season so it's not a huge concession.

Originally Posted by Alan Shore (Post 1650188)

Of course. Shoddy? Do tell. Or are you just sniping?

Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1650225)

How is it a concession for narrowbody guys? You get 12 hours notice now for shart call instead of 10 with the commute. That's the same thing at worst.

It was a gain for the widebody guys with their window reduction.

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1650084)

http://www.deltamuseum.org/images/si...d.jpg?sfvrsn=0

I like the idea of 4 smaller engines on the 757. Makes it faster.

Strange to see the hill to 26R without parts of broken Douglas jets scattered all over the place.

Originally Posted by Purple Drank (Post 1650227)

I was referring to the initial product. I also complimented the MEC for driving th SDP change.

Alan, were you ok with the product MD put in front of the MEC?

Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 1650218)

We will now schedule to FAR max instead of contractual max. Prepare to be scheduled for 13:30 duty days. That is a concession that will be used to reduce credit with our new 5:15 ADG.