Originally Posted by Karnak (Post 1652743)

What about a situation like we just had, where the MEC had the negotiators fix the problem, to make the TA acceptable to 100% of the MEC? How is that broken?

Originally Posted by Alan Shore (Post 1652426)

As an aside, there will likely always be a price to be paid for going back to amend an agreement once the initial handshake is complete. That is the downside of turning down a TA. That is not to say that we should simply rubberstamp everything our reps do, but we need to recognize that it's not as simple as it might otherwise sound.

Originally Posted by Sink r8 (Post 1652798)

I think you're a little off. The info I have is that the TA was in fact acceptable to the MEC, because it represented what the MEC asked the NC to get, but the problem occurred between the MEC and pilot group, where we might have had a different opinion as to what is acceptable.

The way it was described to me, the MEC had 4 or 5 re-directs (for lack of a better term), and each time, got what they asked for, and sent the NC back in with amended requirements nonetheless. The way it was explained to me by a rep and a negotiator, they asked for a Corona, got a Corona Light... so they asked for a Guiness. They got a Guiness, but a Guiness in a glass, not a can, so they asked for a Stella instead. They got a Stella in the end. They were trying to order us a beer all along. Turns out we wanted a single malt scotch, and they forgot to ask us what we wanted to drink.

So the MEC evidently panicked, and threw all the Stella in the trash on the way to our table.



Before the proverbial sheisse hit the fan, I think they all thought they had a pretty good agreement. Donatelli gave a synopsis early, probably depriving the person whose job it seems to be to leak these TA's of their fifteen minutes, but it turned out to be one of the saving graces to this evolution. It gave us time to react. Not to excuse Donatelli anyway, because he sure thought we wanted beer also, and he too failed to ask.

Want to know the truly weird part in all of this? We still don't know what the group wanted. I sure as hell wanted no part of SDP's, because I think they would be grossly unsafe with my personal situation (sleep pattern, drive to work, etc.). And I suspect that most of us are opposed to them. But that's never been proven. I know there is a group that wanted them, and maybe they needed their voice heard.

The problem we had in this case is very basic: the reps didn't communicate with us, and did a poor job getting our input. They told us there was a meal, but they didn't take drink orders, and they didn't even bother giving us a drink menu to consider. It was a super, super basic mistake, but it needs not to be repeated again.

As for who failed, and who was a hero, I think it's pretty obvious from APC that we had zero heroes. Most pilots didn't get the right sort of communications on this topic from their rep. I'm not upset about this, and am not interested in pointing fingers, as long as the end result is a protocol that works better, with more polling, more updates, and less surprises.

And scotch. I like scotch.

Originally Posted by TheManager (Post 1652482)

Delta adding Seattle flights to Maui, Mexico and more



Posted by Kristin Jackson
Delta Air Lines is adding more flights from Seattle to popular beach and ski destinations, plus regional service to Spokane, as it keeps strongly expanding service at Sea-Tac Airport and continues to give regional powerhouse Alaska Airlines a run for the money.

Delta plans to add service from Seattle to Maui plus to Cabo San Lucas and Puerto Vallarta, Mexico; Calgary, Alberta; Spokane; and Bozeman, Mont.

The Delta flights will begin in November and December (international flights still are awaiting government approval). Here’s the word from Delta on the new routes:

Four daily flights to Spokane International Airport using two-class, 65-seat CRJ-700 aircraft beginning Nov. 3
Two daily flights to Calgary International Airport using two-class, 76-seat Embraer E-175 aircraft, beginning Nov. 3
New Seattle service beginning Dec. 20 includes:

One daily flight to Maui’s Kahului Airport using a Boeing 757-200.
One daily seasonal flight to Bozeman Yellowstone International Airport through Jan. 4, 2015, then Saturday service from Jan. 10 through March 28, 2015, using two-class, 76-seat Embraer E-175 aircraft.
Four weekly flights to Los Cabos through Jan. 10, 2015, then Saturday service beginning Jan. 17, 2015, using an Airbus A319 aircraft.
Four weekly flights to Puerto Vallarta through Jan. 10, 2015, then Saturday service beginning Jan. 17, 2015, using an Airbus A319 aircraft.

Originally Posted by shiznit (Post 1652469)

The entire duty period would have paid 7:30.

The "credit" would have been based on the 1:2 and 1:1.75 rig. The pay only would have been the difference between that and 7:30.

For reserves the "pay" would have gone above Res. Guar. Which would have been sweet for reserves...

I'm still in the camp that we should allow them, but with a little bit tighter rules...

1:30 block each way
5:30 min scheduled break
4:30 behind the door
8:00 pay per period
"Day room" hotel in between SDP's

Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1652669)

a single payback day will drop the whole trip and pay you what the value of the first day is. You can pick the trip back up then in the next pcs run.

Originally Posted by EdGrimley (Post 1652836)

Alaska also announced addtional flying today.

Alaska also plans to add:

One round trip a day between Seattle and Boise, Idaho, Boston, Chicago, Denver, Fairbanks, Alaska, Palm Springs, Calif., and Sacramento, Calif.;
Two round trips a day between Seattle and Los Angeles; and
Three roundtrip shuttle flights a day between Seattle and Portland, Ore.
Alaska said it also will start flying a Boeing 737 on two of its 16 daily round trip flights between Seattle and Spokane, replacing the current Bombardier Q400 service and increasing the total number of saily seats from 3,200 to 3,350.

Delta, Alaska adding flights from Seattle - seattlepi.com