Whenever I call to question, it's always something I didn't think of, or missed in the contract.

When I think I've finally got it figured out, it changes. :)

Hopefully they were given a blanket party by all the guys who would have been furloughed due to massively increased productivity this incredibly stupid/from a pilot perspective/ idea would have caused. Probably the bottom 15 %of the list. Tell me your address an I'll be sure to attend the next beating if you mention this company antipilot wet dream again.

IMO this is a bad idea for a number of reasons. 1. I kinda feel like that would be pulling up the ladder and causing delta to hire fewer pilots which would prevent advancement for those both on and off the seniority list. 2. Some group is going to get screwed pay wise. Either by having their pay reduced or not going up the same amount. 3. (And this should be number one but I'm not retyping this. :)) This will impact the QOL of A LOT of pilots. If money is taken out of the QOL equation, you are left with seniority as the major determining factor in QOL and guys will definitely exercise it to the detriment of many.

Denny

Same here, that's kinda why I haven't called back. But this one baffles me so I'll probably call tomorrow and find out. :o

Denny

Don't know, but it would be "received" - you don't set negotiating priorities by resolution. You survey, get briefed by a number of SME's, get ALPA legal advice, the Reps give direction, and in theory the NC brings back what is directed by the status Reps in a TA.

One part of the whole bottom up direction part that doesn't get emphasized is that the company, various commitees , or the MEC Admin can insert negotiating wishes that are then floated back to the pilots for their opinion, and can become a weighted priority in the process.

If we start getting lots of survey questions on pay banding and glossy True Headings, Notepads, and other pubs "discussing" the pros and cons you'll know what's coming.

pending changes to Endeavor and the ssp
 

Email from a friend at Endeavor


Wait another 2 weeks and see what management creates to keep the endeavor pilots from jumping ship. They are losing 50 pilots per month and only replacing 8 because of the crappy pilot contract that was forced upon them from management and ALPA. The are going to dangle keeping more 50 seater's than originally planned as well as a flow through.

Now what happens to those who were unsuccessful in the ssp? Are They now become eligible to become Delta pilot's because management needs to pay them slave wages? So instead of admitting they screwed up by forcing these changes to pilots pay and benefits. ... management and Alpa will dangle a flow through to staff endeavor. Endeavor is already paying former captain's who were downgraded to FO, captain rates again, just to keep them from leaving for Spirit and jet blue. Last week alone I heard 30 pilots put in their 2 week notice for places like Spirit and Jet Blue.

Look for massive cancelations this summer from endeavor. This was a management decision that back fired but I suspect they and Alpa will spin it as a positive within 2 week's. Lastly, endeavor had to return or turn down 3700 hours of flying for July.

Watch for the floe headline within 2 weeks...I wish I could put money down on this in Vegas!

Mine showed up on the 2Mar schedule. Look at the comments at the bottom.

Now, when do I get the pay back? :confused:

I don't see how banding leads to furloughs. Our staffing situation is no longer static: the company needs to hire *a lot* of pilots in the coming years. This would only reduce that number.

Would it create change? Sure. Would some people profit more than others? Sure. However, I think it would be a win all around.

Regarding the negotiating process, I appreciate the illumination. I know this idea has been batted around for a while, and I was wondering if anyone had officially raised it (taking the idea from T's pet hobby horse to actual consideration).

Roadkill, I'm staying at a hotel on Va Ave as I contribute to our training churn. Come on by.

Between being minimally staffed in a number of categories and the number of pilots that now commute on Endeavor is see this being a set up for a Perfect (Rolling Thunder) Storm of GS opportunities this summer which then further exacerbates the problem.

Well, just for that, I'm going to disagree with your agreement! :)

Actually, C2102 had polling and MEMRAT. I do agree that there is always a heavy push to sell the final product, but it's impossible to deny that the pilots voted for C21012. Some people have a huge heartburn seeing that we voted for it at almost a 2:1 ratio yes:no, so e blame sales-jobs, the union, etc.

Truth is, we get what we deserve. We don't show up at meetings , we don't call our reps, we don't usually know the contract, we don't vote in new blood, we don't demand term limits. And come to think of it, we might be screwed if we had term limits anyway, because we also don't volunteer anyhow. So the same few guys end up doing all the jobs, and cycle from one to the next. I'm guessing ALPA is 1/3 really good guys serving us thanklessly as lifers, 1/3 entrenched self-serving lifers you couldn't scrape off, and 1/3 coming through, get slammed by whiny pilots that never show up at meetings, never call, don't usually know the contract, and don't vote. But they sure take the liberty of accusing the reps of every sort of misdeed in the world.

Would you want to be a rep? I sure don't.

We're like a lazy family where everyone has a license, but no one ever wants to drive or read a map, and we act all surprised when uncle Alfred ends up running out of gas in the middle of the night, when he's the only one with his eyes open. When he asks questions everyone tells him to shut up and get us some fast food,, and when he doesn't ask questions, we get upset because he got us Whoppers at the drive-through, and we wanted McDonalds.

Failing to supervise: that's how you end up with guys who ran on communications and good representation so far off the reservation.

I think the reps really thought they had our back, and were delivering a good product. They misread us. That's what happens when you let them run around unsupervised, with a bunch of power we've long ago relinquished: they get it wrong.

It's easy to blame them for all of it, maybe a little too easy.